But if you are talking about the correct way to pronounce something shouldnāt that be the way the creator named it?
Itās like if you named your dog Aaron and they went by the name for a while and all of a sudden people start calling him Ay Ay Ron because they saw the two As and assumed that was how to pronounce it.
What pronunciation would you consider correct the one the creator came up with or the one an uninformed consensus came up with?
Ever heard of dialects? Accents? Creoles? There are no correct or incorrect pronunciations, just functional and non-functional ones. Gif currently has two functional pronunciations. That doesnāt make one more correct than the other just because the guy who said it first said it that way. If you are able to accurately relay the information youāre trying to relay, you are ācorrectā. If the dog responds to ay-ay-ron, that is functionally its name.
Itās not the guy who said it first itās the guy who made a file format and chose a name that was the same as the peanut butter companyā¦
Are you seriously this narcissistic that you canāt admit the way you say something is technically wrong? A product was made with a specific name and you choose to say it contrary to that way because it conveys the information itās a perfectly acceptable way of pronouncing it but if you canāt admit that you are technically wrong in something so stupid and benign as a pronunciation of an acronym then you might have a problem.
Iāll even go first and announce to all the people on this thread that I am in facts not gods gift to the world and sometimes pronounce words differently than their correct pronunciations because the correct ones are less fun.
Hey Iām the one who said itās the only argument that holds any water, I just already have water. I lost this argument to my brother over a decade ago and have admitted I was wrong since then. Language is only valuable insofar as youāre able to make your point understood to the people youāre talking to. There is no correct way to say anything except the way that your audience understands. Iāll give you that the 1987 CompuServ file was pronounced with a soft g (seemingly due to lazy marketing), but the word has gone beyond that product. As others have mentioned, most āgifsā are not even in that format anymore and havenāt been for years and years. The majority of people using the word donāt really know what it means and certainly donāt know or care how it was coined. But if it makes you feel better, I promise the next time Iām buying a .gif in 1987, Iāll use the soft g.
but if you canāt admit that you are technically wrong in something so stupid and benign as a pronunciation of an acronym then you might have a problem.
If youāre getting this upset about something you admit is stupid and benign then you might have a problem.
āislandā was originally spelled āeilandā until some scholars started adding an āsā to it in order to make it look more Latin (despite not having a Latin root).
Which spelling would you consider correct? The original or the one people use?
You are comparing the evolution of language from hundreds of years to a group of people mispronouncing a word since itās usually seen written from only a a few decades ago
The format came out in 1987 and the creator has on multiple occasions said that the correct way to pronounce it is with a soft g
If in 2187 if the whole world starts saying it with a hard g you can pretend thatās correct and comparable to an evolution of the human language but considering the founder is still alive and calling it gif and your argument boils down to āthe person who created it is saying it wrongā then itās not comparable to the change in spelling of islandā¦
You are comparing the evolution of language from hundreds of years
Nope. I am talking about how one person on one day did a specific thing and it caught on. Was āislandā not acceptable when written that way and only acceptable exactly 100 years after they did that?
If in 2187 if the whole world starts saying it with a hard g you can pretend thatās correct and comparable to an evolution of the human language
Okay, so exactly how long does a word have to be used a specific way before people shut the fuck up about it?
This is another case of āmy exact usage of language is correct. Anything from before I was born is incorrect, and no further changes can be tolerated until I am dead.ā
The day a person wrote island they were wrong. If they tried to insist to everyone else that they were right and the dictionaries are wrong they would be called an idiot. If they tried to insist to everyone that they came up with an alternate spelling to align with the Latin roots thatās a different story.
Now considering this is an arbitrary name that someone made up to specifically call it gif like the peanut butter brandā¦ I would say they get at least a few decades of them being correct
You can say it with a hard g as much as you want but to claim you are correct is another story
If they tried to insist to everyone that they came up with an alternate spelling to align with the Latin roots thatās a different story.
But the English word for Island does not have any Latin roots, so itās even dumber.
I agree that the person who first put an āsā in āIslandā was an idiot. I think itās idiotic that that is now the correct spelling. But at some point the āsā in āislandā went from stupid to correct and it would be even dumber for me to try to fight against it.
My point is that it wasnāt a factor of time that made āislandā the correct spelling, it was simply a factor of common usage. Language is defined by how it is used and understood. If people pronouce it gif and are understood then that is the correct pronunciation. Arguing against that is a waste of time, and itās also admitting that the pronouciation you prefer is not the one commonly used and understood.
The U in scuba stands for underwater yet people pronounce it scOOba
The E in hepa stands for efficiency yet its pronounced HEPA with a short E
The A in nato stands for Atlantic and the O stands for organization
The first A in ASAP is for as
The Os in POTUS, SCOTUS and FLOTUS all come from of and the Us comes from United
Acronyms donāt need to sound like the word they are from
And words donāt need to sound the way they did when they were coined
But if you are talking about the correct way to pronounce something shouldnāt that be the way the creator named it?
Itās like if you named your dog Aaron and they went by the name for a while and all of a sudden people start calling him Ay Ay Ron because they saw the two As and assumed that was how to pronounce it.
What pronunciation would you consider correct the one the creator came up with or the one an uninformed consensus came up with?
Ever heard of dialects? Accents? Creoles? There are no correct or incorrect pronunciations, just functional and non-functional ones. Gif currently has two functional pronunciations. That doesnāt make one more correct than the other just because the guy who said it first said it that way. If you are able to accurately relay the information youāre trying to relay, you are ācorrectā. If the dog responds to ay-ay-ron, that is functionally its name.
Itās not the guy who said it first itās the guy who made a file format and chose a name that was the same as the peanut butter companyā¦
Are you seriously this narcissistic that you canāt admit the way you say something is technically wrong? A product was made with a specific name and you choose to say it contrary to that way because it conveys the information itās a perfectly acceptable way of pronouncing it but if you canāt admit that you are technically wrong in something so stupid and benign as a pronunciation of an acronym then you might have a problem.
Iāll even go first and announce to all the people on this thread that I am in facts not gods gift to the world and sometimes pronounce words differently than their correct pronunciations because the correct ones are less fun.
Hey Iām the one who said itās the only argument that holds any water, I just already have water. I lost this argument to my brother over a decade ago and have admitted I was wrong since then. Language is only valuable insofar as youāre able to make your point understood to the people youāre talking to. There is no correct way to say anything except the way that your audience understands. Iāll give you that the 1987 CompuServ file was pronounced with a soft g (seemingly due to lazy marketing), but the word has gone beyond that product. As others have mentioned, most āgifsā are not even in that format anymore and havenāt been for years and years. The majority of people using the word donāt really know what it means and certainly donāt know or care how it was coined. But if it makes you feel better, I promise the next time Iām buying a .gif in 1987, Iāll use the soft g.
If youāre getting this upset about something you admit is stupid and benign then you might have a problem.
āislandā was originally spelled āeilandā until some scholars started adding an āsā to it in order to make it look more Latin (despite not having a Latin root).
Which spelling would you consider correct? The original or the one people use?
You are comparing the evolution of language from hundreds of years to a group of people mispronouncing a word since itās usually seen written from only a a few decades ago
The format came out in 1987 and the creator has on multiple occasions said that the correct way to pronounce it is with a soft g
If in 2187 if the whole world starts saying it with a hard g you can pretend thatās correct and comparable to an evolution of the human language but considering the founder is still alive and calling it gif and your argument boils down to āthe person who created it is saying it wrongā then itās not comparable to the change in spelling of islandā¦
Nope. I am talking about how one person on one day did a specific thing and it caught on. Was āislandā not acceptable when written that way and only acceptable exactly 100 years after they did that?
Okay, so exactly how long does a word have to be used a specific way before people shut the fuck up about it?
This is another case of āmy exact usage of language is correct. Anything from before I was born is incorrect, and no further changes can be tolerated until I am dead.ā
The day a person wrote island they were wrong. If they tried to insist to everyone else that they were right and the dictionaries are wrong they would be called an idiot. If they tried to insist to everyone that they came up with an alternate spelling to align with the Latin roots thatās a different story.
Now considering this is an arbitrary name that someone made up to specifically call it gif like the peanut butter brandā¦ I would say they get at least a few decades of them being correct
You can say it with a hard g as much as you want but to claim you are correct is another story
But the English word for Island does not have any Latin roots, so itās even dumber.
I agree that the person who first put an āsā in āIslandā was an idiot. I think itās idiotic that that is now the correct spelling. But at some point the āsā in āislandā went from stupid to correct and it would be even dumber for me to try to fight against it.
My point is that it wasnāt a factor of time that made āislandā the correct spelling, it was simply a factor of common usage. Language is defined by how it is used and understood. If people pronouce it gif and are understood then that is the correct pronunciation. Arguing against that is a waste of time, and itās also admitting that the pronouciation you prefer is not the one commonly used and understood.