Calling people “tankies” calls forth an imagine of old men yelling at everyone to stay off their lawn.
can’t wait to see the hexbear response to this one
Hexbear: [image of a pig pooping on its own balls]
Truly, walking in the shoes of Marx and Engels. Such eloquence.
Just stopping by to say fuck tankies. Ok bye.
It’s easy to make a list of all communists countries that turned fascists and massacred people. You don’t do that with capitalists because there are simply too many, everywhere, in about all of history.
It’s almost like the main problem with both authoritarian communism and authoritarian capitalism might be the authoritarianism.
Just that most captialist counties are democracies and all communist countries are authoritarian because communism and it’s limiting of rights doesn’t go without a dictatorship and the murder of millions of innocent people 😇
welcome
Just as a true socialist country has never existed, a true capitalist country has never existed. Economies are always mixed.
If only we could imagine what a truly capitalist country would look like in the future! Like, I don’t know, we call this genra something like cyberpunk?
Hahaha I win. I have created a work of fiction and where you are bad and I am good.
But that also exists for my side, yk, Orwellian. Brave New World too.
Ssshhhjttt, don’t be reasonable, you’re gonna make them cry
It would be 100% with capitalist as well.
As DarthBueller@lemmy.world less succinctly put it. Capitalism is barely a few hundred years old. It’s barely existed a fraction of human history. It’s barely older than many of the original socialist ideals. Let alone all of history. Markets and currency predate capitalism and socialism by millennia. And neither has claim to them. Despite both making use of them.
That said fuck leninists. Actual communists are pretty chill though. But leninists and capitalists are a threat to everyone. Including themselves.
Just as a true socialist country has never existed, a true capitalist country has never existed. Economies are always mixed.
NNNOOOO!!! HOW DARE YOU UN-WHITEWASH LENIN!!! NOOOO!!! Tankies tried SO HARD to make Makhno disappear like Trotsky! You LIBERAL AMERICANS!!! REEEEEE!!!
Here is Makhno in 1920 after agreeing to a temporary ceasefire:
"Military hostilities between the Makhnovist revolutionary insurgents and the Red Army have ceased. Misunderstandings, vagueness and inaccuracies have grown up around this truce: it is said that Makhno has repented of his anti-Bolshevik acts, that he has recognized the soviet authorities, etc. How are we to understand, what construction are we to place upon this peace agreement?
What is very clear already is that no intercourse of ideas, and no collaboration with the soviet authorities and no formal recognition of these has been or can be possible. We have always been irreconcilable enemies, at the level of ideas, of the party of the Bolshevik-communists.
We have never acknowledged any authorities and in the present instance we cannot acknowledge the soviet authorities. So again we remind and yet again we emphasize that, whether deliberately or through misapprehension, there must be no confusion of military intercourse in the wake of the danger threatening the revolution with any crossing-over, ‘fusion’ or recognition of the soviet authorities, which cannot have been and cannot ever be the case."
— quoted in Nestor Makhno: Anarchy’s Cossack, a pro-Makhno book
Just because people are enemies doesn’t mean they can have a truce. Who broke that truce?
it appears to have been mutually understood
After the Seige of Perekop, Makhno’s aide-de-camp Grigori Vassilevsky, announced the agreement was over:
That’s the end for the agreement! Take my word for it, within one week the Bolsheviks are going to come down on us like a ton of bricks!
— Grigori Vassilevsky, quoted in the same book
