• JoeyJoeJoeJr@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    That sidesteps my point, which was that “rights” are granted by governments (the first of those two, jury trial, is literally in “The Bill of Rights”). You can disagree about what should be a right, and in a country with a democratic procedure for determining rights, you can vote to change what is considered a right, but whether it requires a service or not is irrelevant.

    Healthcare requiring service does not preclude it from being a right.

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      That sidesteps my point, which was that “rights” are granted by governments

      False. Our rights exist whether or not governments choose to respect them.

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        If you’re talking about natural rights, that philosophy works great if you’re alone on an island. Once there’s at least one other person, the philosophy gets drowned in a bathtub because you held something slightly valuable someone else wanted.