• sweng@programming.dev
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    3 days ago

    You are contradicting yourself. Can russia stop the war immediately, or do they need the permission of the west to do so? Both can’t be true simultaneously

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      3 days ago

      I’m not contradicting myself. The west can stop the war immediately, and Ukraine needs permission from the west to do so. This is a proxy war between NATO and Russia where NATO is using Ukraine to do the fighting.

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        3 days ago

        I asked about Russia, not Ukraine.

        Can Russia end the war immediately, or does Russia need the permission of the west to do so?

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          Here’s the chief of NATO openly admitting why the war started, but you keep on lying here if that makes you feel better.

          The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

          The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

          So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.

          https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm

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            3 days ago

            That has literally nothing to do with what I just wrote? I said nothing about the reason for the war.

            Again, can Russia end the war immediately, ss you claimed, or do they need permission from the west, like you also claimed?

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              3 days ago

              You are claiming that the war is between Russia and Ukraine, while the reality, as Stoltenberg admits is that it’s a war between Russia and NATO. Ukraine is the party that needs permission from the west to stop the war.

              Again, can Russia end the war immediately, ss you claimed, or do they need permission from the west, like you also claimed?

              Can you explain to me why Russia would stop the war that Russia is currently winning?

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                3 days ago

                You are avoiding my question. Can Russia end the war immediately, or do they need permission from the west? Yes or no. If you do not answer, I will just assume thst you agree with me that Russia can end the war unilaterally, and Putin chooses not to (because he chooses not to, as “winning” is more important thsn millions of lives).

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                    2 days ago

                    To avoid the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians. I’ve answered multiple times.

                    So, now we agree that Russia could end the war immediately, regardless of what the west does, but chooses not to, leading to the death of millions of Russians and Ukrainians.