tl;dr don’t bother. This is too abstracted and nuanced. That is okay to skip.

I like to understand the abstract scope of engineering. This is way beyond the simple surface level, with pics below to illustrate my point.

With electric guitar pickups, the complexity of field shaping and design control over the sensor seems like a place where optimising the profitable manufacturability of the final product remains the primary constraint with little deviation.

I struggle to qualify and quantify my intuitive hunch that there is a whole lot more potential to engineer something new and better within the realm of modern manufacturing. I don’t know the principal questions I should ask or what might disprove my ideas from the get go.

  • Most transformers shape the magnetic field far more than guitar pickups.
  • a guitar pickup appears to be more of a two dimensional sensor that picks up the motion of a ferromagnetic string in the two primary directions of motion
  • there are more complex harmonic motions present than a pickup can register in two dimensions
  • the coil and slugs of a pickup are surrounded by a single large winding, yet the strings each have very different frequencies
  • it is now possible to make a powdered ferrite core of nearly any shape and frequency
  • the traditional pickup has little effective shaping of the magnetic field path
  • guitar pickups are not optimised to a point where they are readily used elsewhere in other sensory applications and devices as economy of scale should dictate in an open and manipulation free market… I don’t think they are anyways
  • what might be the result if a 270° toroidal powdered core were designed and shaped for each string while tailoring the copper winding and ferrite for each string’s mean frequency and shielding each of these
  • would a chord segment gap in a toroidal core pick up more 3d motion from the string
  • what effect would a primary and secondary winding wound in the opposite dot notation direction have on the pickup of more complex harmonics and motion
  • why does none of this matter due to the filtering of LCR and the noise floor or other aspects

Like here is the basic range of commercial products:

The typical schematic of operation:

Basic construction:

This is a typically low noise toroidal transformer that has been around for ages:

Now I need you to abstract this concept with me a little bit. Imagine if a small toroidal core was below each string and offset towards the neck or bridge so that they will fit. Nothing would stick out or surround the string. The 270° is not a radius cut like a pie. Instead it is a chord and removed segment:

There are totally random pics from DDG that are somewhat illustrative in abstract:

These are just some random powdered core ferrites that illustrate how these can be formed into any shape now:

I usually avoid anything audiophile related because it draws out pseudo science nonsense like crazy, but at the center of this question is really a desire for a deeper understanding of sensors and magnetics that have much broader applications in precise motion control and sensors for a range of equipment.

In a higher level of abstraction, I’m also really asking when and where does this subject become the realm of the illusive bearded nude virgin demigods that get enslaved to corpo NDA masters from birth. .5/s

  • catloaf@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    You could certainly make something different, but it wouldn’t necessarily be better. Electric guitars have a very well established sound. I’d imagine most people want to have that same sound, or at least something very similar. Those who want a different sound use all kinds of stuff on their pedalboard.

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      3 months ago

      So I’m more thinking about resolution and dynamic range at this level of abstraction. It is not a question of new sound, but more like texture for various modes like palm muting, clarity, adjustability, or natural/pinch harmonics. Most effects are basically modes of bad audio in amusing ways from clipping to poor recording delays, or what it sounds like to play audio through junk materials like plates or springs. Pursuing perfection is nonsense for sure; pursuing resolution and nuances might yield new and unique sounds.

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        3 months ago

        That’s pretty much what pedals are for…I feel like you’re coming up with a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist