• Tuner@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    The genocide will continue no matter who wins. The argument is dumb.

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      1 day ago

      I’ve got a question for you… I’m sure you are familiar with the famous, “First They Came” sermon/poem/whatever by Martin Niemöller? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_

      At what point during that poem would you consider a genocide underway? Would it be when they started murdering all of the communists? Or maybe after they eliminated all of the trade unionists?

      Let’s extend that poem to include all of the categories of people that the Nazis killed:

      They started with trans people, was it a genocide yet? How about after they started including homosexuals?

      Maybe it becomes a genocide when they go after the mentally and physically disabled?

      Or does it only become a genocide when they go after the Jews?

      Obviously, the answer is all of the fucking above.

      Guess what: Genocide very much can and does get worse. Much much worse. This concept that it is all or nothing is completely ahistorical and illogical.

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        1 day ago

        Guess what: Genocide very much can and does get worse. Much much worse.

        Sounds like you agree it’s bad enough now to want to stop it.

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      1 day ago

      Sure, but one side seems to be advocating for more of the same shittiness we’ve had for decades, and the other side for a final solution to the Palestinian problem. It’s not like the choices are equal.

      • glitchdx@lemmy.world
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        1 day ago

        Yes, the system sucks, and we should do what we can to fix it.

        What is also important is Order of Operations. It will be much harder (if not impossible) to effect any positive change on the systems that be if the orange orangutan wins the election, while those changes will be at least possible under the leadership of the blue candidate.

        I like to think that people who are not able to figure this out are victims of republican/russian propaganda. To think otherwise would be both depressing and enraging and I have too much of my own shit going on to deal with any of that.

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          1 day ago

          I don’t think you can end up anywhere good by bargaining with genocide. “Sucks” doesn’t even come close to describing such a system. The order of operations you’re talking about sounds to me like: 1- elect the more decorous monster 2- go back to ignoring all the suffering. I’ll definitely agree that it’s depressing, but it doesn’t require any foreign propaganda to be that.

          • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            1 day ago

            Thank you for saying this. If we keep choosing the ‘lesser of two evils’, we just keep allowing things to get worse, albeit more slowly.