• iriyan@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 days ago

    Dialectics of history show that the ruling class, the industrialists by 19th century, were the sole commanders of the state, and the state acted ONLY in their behalf. When people got organized as workers and started fighting this power back by the 30s capitalism collapsed, the state begun its evolutionary state as a social democracy, which also represented interests of people (labor law, welfare state, education, social rights) … Capital didn’t stand still and accept this evolution, it had to find a way to fight back and gain control of ALL states from outside and above. 1st strike was Breton Woods, privatization of national banking. The late state is where nearly all states are in non sustainable debt and all this debt is controlled by private bankers. And that means social democracy is dead and its destruction is irreversible, as long as capitalism survives. That means that nearly all “progressive” reformists of the capitalists states are either too naive or are lying too much. There is NOTHING that can change within capitalism, unless people are willing to go really hungry, cold, and start nearly from 18th century conditions and rebuild. The markets are not forgiving any deviance! Ask the Yugoslavians, they will tell you all about their independent social democracy.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      6 days ago

      I agree, capitalist system is the root problem that needs to be addressed. As long as we live under the dictatorship of capital, nothing will fundamentally change.

      • iriyan@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        6 days ago

        We had discussions before and you agreed back then and then started disagreeing and blocking and banning me, erasing documents and so on, so I wouldn’t waste a second more in talking to you. Go back to your @heretical_i friend who can tolerate garbage like yourself.

        You agree on anti-capitalism but you take the safety off when discussing Stalin … you can’t tolerate it, or control it.