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    Israel’s actions are a direct consequence of what Hamas did," Borrell’s spokesman had said in Brussels earlier the same day.

    Uhh, I think you meant to say “Hamas’ actions are a direct consequence of what Israel has been doing to Gaza”

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      You really wouldn’t gather this by looking at the media churn. It’s pro Israel to with it’s foot to the floor. If you dare voice distention, you are labeled to be an anti Semite. This successful tactic has been a go to for years. For Israel to know true peace, they need to dump its current leadership. I won’t see this happen in my lifetime.

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        I don’t know what media you read, but this has not been my experience with The Intercept, Aljazera, and Democracy Now

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          I think you answered your own question… None of those are “media churn” AKA mainstream media, but are instead alternative independent media outlets.

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      It both is the case. But it should be really obvious to anyone that even a horrific terrorist attack doesn’t just absolve Israel from international law.

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      No. You’re confused. Hamas is a terrorist society, Israel is not. You do not kill hundreds of innocent people and blame it on oppression.

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        Hamas is Gaza’s government and military. Yes, they’ve committed war crimes and many call them terrorists.

        The IOF is Israel’s military. Yes, they’ve committed war crimes and many call them terrorists.

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          Yeah, you may call them terrorist, but you know deep down that you were wrong… Before Saturday, Gaza Strip had power they had a University they had libraries, and they had shit loads of mosques spread around the city. Now they have nothing because they allowed a religious terrorist organization to run their society. War is awful, innocents die, but ultimately there is a result of change. In this case, the change will be the extermination of Hamas Terrorists at any cost, once and for all.

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        I’m all for open discussions. But… shouldn’t one know the basic facts on a topic before seemingly expressing an opinion on the matter? You clearly need to take an unbiased look at the situation.

        You do not kill hundreds of innocent people and blame it on oppression.

        The oblivious irony of such a statement.

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            Why do you expect an argument? I’m pointing out what seems to me as a flaw in reasoning based on what seems to be a lack of understanding of the situation.

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              That’s the thing Mann I don’t misunderstand the situation… You do. The atrocities that Hamas is responsible for is only punishable via death with war comes civilian casualties until we can figure out a way to only kill military personnel. This is literally collateral damage that is inevitable… Israel is doing the right thing Hamas is a terrorist organization Land is not owned by any society. It is owned by the power of the society at the time of its being I know you don’t understand what I’m saying and that’s OK let’s just agree to disagree.

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                I doubt I’m anything like you, and I also doubt I think like you. I’ve spent my life always critical of what I think, always allowing myself to be wrong. So I don’t look at this situation with the gut feeling and emotion you seem to have. I look at humans, and human behavior. I’m skeptical of any news and media, especially if there is reason to suspect an agenda.

                This is literally collateral damage that is inevitable… Israel is doing the right thing Hamas is a terrorist organization Land is not owned by any society. It is owned by the power of the society at the time

                Each of those sentences combined, paints such a strong picture, that I’m surprised you cannot see it for what it is.

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      You obviously dont know your history. This all started when Britain made shady deals with a bunch of countries during the first world war. And even before that Israel was on that land before there was ever a Palestine.

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        Palestinians have been living there for hundreds of years, it is their home. The Isreali settlers started showing up 70 years ago and forced the inhabitants out of their houses. Do you seriously think that Jewish people deserve that land because of the religion of its inhabitants in ancient roman times?

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          You do know their were always arab jews in tbe region. Just saying from Morroco to Yemen but with Israel’s creation, jews were expelled from every Arab nation. Only Iran let those who wanted to stay in an islamist country.

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            When were Jews expelled for every Arab nation? I don’t think that’s true. Like you said “there were always Arab Jews in the region” but they were a minority. The modern Israeli citizens are mostly immigrants though.

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            That surprises me. I thought sharia law demands that you let peaceful infidels stay as long as they don’t practice their infidelity in public and pay the jizyah. I mean, it obviously sucks and is tailored in a manner that infidels are leaving, but there is no forced relocation as in zionism.

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              If you go by the Quran Jews aren’t even called infidels. They are considered People of the Book. But you are thinking that Arabs follow the Quran devoutly. They cherry pick like all the conservative Christian’s in the west. It doesn’t matter which religion they have they will be hateful against “others” regardless.

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              the mistake youre making is comparing sharia law to zionism

              one is religious rules, the other is a political ideology heavily influenced by religious rules

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          That was a long time ago, Palestine will NEVER reclaim the land as theirs. Get over it. Just like America took land from native Americans, it is America now. Land is controlled for a period of time by a specific soceity and eventually it transfers to a more powerful society. That is how it works regardless of how you feel.

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            Being bigger and more powerful doesn’t mean you aren’t a bully. Israel being more powerful and more palatable doesn’t mean they aren’t terrorists. The US is a bad example if you’re trying to say Israel was in the right, because the US certainly wasn’t.

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        I think he was referring to the IDFs penchant for shooting Palestinian kids in the back for funsies for the last few years.

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        It’s so easy to blame the British empire for any geopolitical mistake isn’t it?