• Razp@lemm.ee
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    As is punishing all Russian passport holders for the action of the government. So it’s either both EU and Israel are monsters or neither is.

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      Not being able to spend summer in the Algarve and being brutally murdered is totally the same thing.

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        “Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.

        We are hypocrites. We have double standards.

        I am just pointing it out.

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          Starving people to death via a siege and not allowing passport holders to visit are worlds apart.

          Aside from that, it would be a violation of sovereignty to say which countries other countries had to allow in. Countries can and do block passports all the time.

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            You missed the point :

            Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.

            Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.

            In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”

            We. Are. Hypocrites.

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              Please, by all means, inform the class what “collective punishments” Russian Citizens are currently facing that are directly equivalent to what Israel is doing.

              You won’t because you’re a 🤡 and you know it.

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              You’re missing the forest for the trees.

              I feel like if I continue to argue with you we’ll end up debating what the meaning of every word.

              Blocking people’s access to all food, electricity, and water is entirely different than a country banning travel from another country.

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          Collective punishment IS a war crime. Travel is a privelege, not being able to go on holiday to specific places isn’t punishment. Do you realise most countries aren’t permitted to travel somewhere?

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            It’s not about traveling, and not about Russians at all. I just gave an example. Look,

            Ursula von der Leyen was against Russians destroying the energy infrastructure of Ukraine.

            The same Ursula supports energy blockade of Gaza by Israel.

            It’s just pure hypocracy.

            In both cases the civilian population suffers the most. In both cases it’s a war crime and should be condemned.

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        “Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.

        We are hypocrites. We have double standards.

        I am just pointing it out.

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          Can we agree that “not letting people with Russian passport travel in NATO countries”

          And “Slaughtering civilians en masse in retaliation to a terrorist attack”

          Are just a wee bit different as far “collective punishment” goes?

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            You missed the point :

            Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.

            Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.

            In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”

            We. Are. Hypocrites.

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      Launching missiles across borders is different than securing your own borders. You can’t possibly really be trying to equate the two?

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        “Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.

        We are hypocrites. We have double standards.

        I am just pointing it out.

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          Hmmm let’s stay on topic. I didn’t say I support collective punishment of Palestine or anyone. I said missiles aren’t the same thing as border restrictions, because they clearly aren’t. Do you actually disagree?

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      As a punished Russian living in Lomonosov, let me explain you what has changed for us since this “punishment” started:

      Absolutely nothing.

      (Oh, yes, Coke bottles are now green, instead of red.)

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      This is not valid in all cases as I know multiple Russians and those living in EU continue to do so with no issue and those living in RU say it doesn’t affect them. You can even find interview with random RU citizens in RU and they all say it doesn’t affect them or that they want to attack UA BC Nato boarder is too close.

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        You missed the point :

        Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.

        Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.

        In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”

        We. Are. Hypocrites.

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            Ursula von der Leyen was against Russians destroying the energy infrastructure of Ukraine.

            The same Ursula supports energy blockade of Gaza by Israel.

            If you don’t see a hypocrisy from our leaders of the west, you brainwashed.

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          I don’t think I missed the point though.

          I’m ststating that Russians don’t seem to be directly afected aside from having their favorite EU vacation destinations accessible via France or Turkey instead directly from Moscow. It means that so called collective punishment was either ineffective or so mild, that it had almost no effect on dayly lives of citizens.

          You compare this with bombing city, being cut out of water, food, medicine and energy.

          If anything, Russians collectively punished Ukrainians by shelling,detroying their energy and tradic infrastructure to make winter as bad as possible for UA.