• frezik@midwest.social
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    2 days ago

    Are you under the impression that Europe is somehow inoculated against imperialism? It’s been fine going along with the US right up to this point, and has sins all its own.

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      Yea? Not only has no eu country made no attempt to acquire new colonies in the last hundred or so years, they actively deloconized!

      In opposition to the US, that demands mineral rights among others in Ukraine! That keeps Guam uprepresented for another example, or for a third example their threats of expansion to greenland and canada! When was the last time any eu countries did anything like that?

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        Most of Europe is actively helping Israel exterminate the Palestinians in an act of brutal colonialism.

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        Most US imperialist actions post-WWII haven’t been for territory. The modern version is more economic and abstract. It’s why Steven Pinker could write a whole book on why violence has declined in the world, be technically correct for the most part, but completely misses how the situation has transformed.

        And yes, the EU is very guilty of it all, too. You can claim the US is worse, and certainly a revival of territorial imperialism is a regression to a horrible history, but this wholesale wiping away of EU sins is completely unjustified.

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          Aside from me giving literally gave 3 examples of the US holding/pursuing territorial expansion while not giving/not planning to give representation(guam, canada, greenland)… Do you think that makes it good? Should we start praising Trump for only wanting the mineral rights of Ukraine?

          Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity! But aside from stopping and holding bilateral development programs for them, da fuck are we supposed to do?

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            Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity!

            You’re still keeping all of the wealth though, naturally, and maintaining the system of unequal exchange that lets you increase that wealth.

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            Unlike you Americans, we actually do recognize our actions against our past colonies as crimes against humanity!

            lmao 14 countries are forced to use France’s central bank. Do you think Africa sells you labor and resources for pennies instead of developing their means of production because they just love stripping their country of resources for you?

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              You should kind of read your links, you know? Doesn’t write a singular word ab how these 14 countries were aggressively forced to use the stable cfc instead of the hyper-inflating rand

              I don’t see the link or the example where their resources are unjusty pilfered! I too can make definitive statements you know? American chedar is scientifically the grossest cheese!

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                Wait, you really don’t know about neocolonialism?

                Also American cheeses as a whole are extremely mid, you’re not going to find anyone defending that shit out outside of Wisconsin.

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                  Again, can you maybe read your links? It exclusively gives examples of immortality of the US?

                  Also on a diff note:

                  It claims that the poverty of the peripheral countries is the result of how they are integrated in the global economic system. Dependency theory derives from the Marxist analysis of economic inequalities within the world’s system of economies, thus, under-development of the periphery is a direct result of development in the centre.

                  Which rlly sound like some nationalistic bs from someone who is butthurt from being colonized, doesn’t it? I am sure europeans rowed over to africa in small boats to claim colonies!

                  The economic dependency is another fun segment for implying that the smaller countries don’t want the larger one’s investment in return of soft power!

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                    Again, can you maybe read your links? It exclusively gives examples of immortality of the US?

                    It literally doesn’t, scroll down.

                    The economic dependency is another fun segment for implying that the smaller countries don’t want the larger one’s investment in return of soft power!

                    The investment is in maintaining systems that keep resources flowing out as cheaply as possible. Yall aren’t sending dictators arms out of the goodness of your hearts.

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            I explicitly said it’s a return to a horrible history. If you’re not going to take arguments that are given, then I think we’re done here.

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              When? When did you say “…return to the past…”? You wobbled on about that us (complete fucking nonsense mind you, the cold war was a thing) and you vaguely stated that it did imperialism without stating a time or a specific event… So maybe you can try that? What country is doing what?