Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @goat@sh.itjust.works
For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.
More context:
It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment
a note on the uyghurs (click to show
For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there’s a lack of evidence that it’s a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).
Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262
He mentions this:
We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.
Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I’ll get to that later.
After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:
He said that it’s different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the “Tank Man” picture to !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819
He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.
He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:
The relevant ones here are:
- zedbite@lemmy.world,
- Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe,
- chirichiri@sh.itjust.works.
If you look through other comments, they downvoted me and other users near-systemically, while upvoting comments made by goat.
For example, take a look at their (respective) lemvotes profile pages: https://lemvotes.org/user/zedbite@lemmy.world https://lemvotes.org/user/Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe https://lemvotes.org/user/chirichiri@sh.itjust.works
They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.
After a bit more arguing (I’m not posting the specific comments because it’s tedious, and they’re easy to see by scrolling through goat’s profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.
note on the post that comment was in reply to
I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what’s happening to the Uyghurs, they’re saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:
Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn’t give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They’re just doin’ the usual bad faith takes.
Feel free to quote me lol
Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile:
https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615
Whatever man. irrelephant, you are pretty free with your own mod activities, don’t respond when questioned, and basically don’t discuss what you do. So why would anyone care if you don’t like some shit? Why talk to you about it, when you won’t talk about the shit you do as a mod?
“Sure that community is full of fascists picking fights with our users but what about the important thing: my unrelated personal beefs?”
Meh. Mod whining about mods. Whatever.
Wait, when was I questioned?
And there’s no answer, I think this dude is confusing you for another person, or is lying to save face of a community.
wat
Just look in your chat log. I’ve a pretty unique nic, as do you.
But you don’t respond to public questions in your comms either.
Which account was it? All the messages on my lemm.ee one are gone (instance is gone).
I guess my instance purges old direct messages? I had no idea they went away after a time. I don’t have it either.
Ya took down my silly cat pic in that dead-ass iiitttttt com. Off topic. Didn’t reply to me.
It’s old news. I just said screw you and stopped posting to your comm.
I had guessed it was that. I mean, it was off topic, unless I’m missing something.
I dd not agree. You did not reply. And not replying seems to be your default in public as well.
Like, you moved the comm to another instance. There was a lot of subsequent discussion of that. People wanted to know what the comm was even about. Thats about the time you nuked my cat pic. No - comment.
You seemed to be mining the old comm and recycling content. Nope, you had no comment.
I have no issue in general with you or your comm. I still read it.
But its fun watching you whine about another mod.
The comm isn’t mine, I just mod it. I try to reply to stuff, but I can miss things (like that DM).
I’m pretty sure I explained the comm to most people who asked about it.
I restored the cat picture, but I think it should have been left removed.
I did not expect that. Its OC. Wally is my co-cat. There hadnt been any posts in a while. Yes, I was drunk and stirring things up. Thanks.
It’s almost like the Lemmy mod structure promotes authoritarian abuse and is extremely flawed. I feel like more leftists should understand it’s more about the systems than the individuals.
You’re not wrong, but in this case they were complaining about me removing this post (which I restored, because why not), and not answering DMs they sent, which I did not receive.
I didn’t even ban the person.
Well no. I banned you.
I was the last poster in your old comm, and the first one in the new comm after your migration. Whether you even realized it, that’s what you lose when you don’t communicate.
And I stopped posting after our encounter.
I’ll now contribute there again. Because, why not?
Haha OK it was a broader point: I’ve never seen or heard anything about your modding so I know nothing. But it is a common issue both on Reddit and here. The issue is that there is no structure to provide users with actual power to influence their communities other than voting on content. And moderation supersedes this power.
It is better than centralized reddit bullshit where regime whores enforce right think.
At least here we see these rifts in public.
Sure, a little better I’ll grant you. But I think there’s still a lot of room for improvement. I am not trying to trade an empire for a kingdom. That’s not much progress to me.
I restored the post, because I was bored.