Iāve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasnāt sure how to feel about it.
Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.
When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken āfederationā system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but itās never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmyās official docs say you canāt even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it wonāt actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.
So you can only ever have the āaverage joe lemmyā and āaverage joe redditā with everything approved by the authorities, and then ātor copies of lemmyā and ātor copies of redditā where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.
People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But itās the exact same thing, itās reddit.
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldnāt let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they wonāt let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
Itās not actually a solution to reddit. Itās not designed to be different, itās designed to match the past today and then match redditās present tomorrow, while being part of a system thatās about the same in past, present, and future.
Last year, this year, and next year, youāre posting somewhere it wonāt be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. Thereās no difference here.
Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.
Edit - I was banned from my instance, and before being unbanned, some of my comments seem to have been removed. I apologize if I hurt anyoneās feelings, but it seems pointless to try to discuss this topic here. Iāll give a few more replies, and then suggest any further responses be directed to me on nostr, where there are no bans. Iāve also had a good time posting on PieFed while I was banned, so Iāll probably keep spending time there. If anyoneās curious, I had a thread about this topic on PieFed too. Btw, instead of the misplaced focus on bots, I should have said filter spam, not people earlier in this post.
Since the context was a tool designed to improve redditās model by giving clones the ability to āfederateā with each other, I guess a āfully working stateā would be one where improvement from the reddit model cannot be furthered by adding more ability for clones to āfederateā with each other.
Is this a gish gallop, or do you think IP addresses are like Onion addresses instead of DNS?
Thatās what Iām hoping, yes. Thereās also the risk that the planet is just going extinct instead. You canāt just wish for the best and take it for granted. Freedom isnāt free.
If Lemmy users arenāt using Tor, then they arenāt coordinating to take any authority away from the corporations.
I donāt know how many times you people are going to make me repeat this.
First you were on a small corner of reddit, which was a small corner of the internet, which was a small corner of the screens.
Then the internet got bigger, and reddit got bigger, and now Lemmy is that size corner.
Then Lemmy will either stay this size, or fragment again when it gets bigger.
Without Tor, thereās zero difference.
Nope.
Again, not making sense, just trying to reframe things in a way where you can insult me.
Incorrect. Iām not the one being egotistical and, depending what āmyopicā means, probably not that either. I am focusing on what matters, you are not.
Thatās not what a Gish Gallop is.
Myopic
Definition 3: Narrow-minded
Also you arenāt really connecting the dots well as to how Lemmy can be censored by corporate authorities, or what specifically those are. Explaining those may help your case. Size also, itās not clear how that really matters to censorship.
Not clicking your link, but what you quoted here is what a Gish Gallop is, and what the reply I was replying to is (hence why I brought it up)
Whatās not? Like, what were you referring to?
So, like āegotistical,ā Iām not the one being myopic
What dots have I not connected?
These posts have a small audience. Iāve said that.
In the past, this small audience was on reddit. Iāve said that.
This audience isnāt much bigger than it was on reddit. Thereās no fundamental difference in how censored you are right now, with Lemmy vs reddit. The authorities have successfully kept your audience about as small as they were successfully able to keep it on reddit. Iāve said that.
In the future, if Lemmy tries to grow this audience using its current design, it canāt really get far past where it was on reddit without the authorities fucking it up by blocking IP addresses and domain names. Iāve said that.
I donāt know what new thing to say to āconnect the dots,ā youāre just making me repeat myself.
Edit - no reply, 2 downvotes. Community full of mentally ill bullies who waste time with bullshit, and then run out of bullshit to say and just stop replying, without admitting they were wrong in any way.
Who are āthe authoritiesā here? The owners of instances? Itās not clear what youāre referring to.
Why would āthe authoritiesā (whatever that means) block IP addresses and domain names in the event of potential Lemmy growth?
Why are you asking again and acting like it isnāt clear when Iāve answered this question in very clear wording multiple different ways for you already?
Same reason they created FCC licenses, same reason they started taking subreddits away from reddit mods by force, etc.
War criminals would find it difficult to keep being granted authority by The People without seeding mental illness and shifting the āoverton windowā as far as possible from realism
You use the word āauthoritiesā in such a vague and bizarre way that itās like someone just saying āthe man!ā The āauthoritiesā here seem to be the active userbase, so far as I can tell, and community moderators and instance admins - most of whom all desire a moderated experience as most people on here, as Iāve said, donāt want to use a forum with no rules.
Reddit has always been able and willing to take away subreddits from moderators, and has done so since its inception. That doesnāt really have anything with domain names and IP blocking.
Not sure what FCC licences would have to do with anything here. What specific āauthorityā would even be blocking IP addresses and domain names from Lemmy?
Incorrect on being vague / bizarre, but some people do use āthe manā as a synonym
You left a lot out but did you have a point here?
Incorrect. They were always able, but not willing and didnāt do it until years in. I think not even until after Aaron Swartz was out of the way.
Why do you keep lying? Is it just that youāre a deeply dishonest person? Again, itās pretty much just us here, unless lying to me about reddit is supposed to somehow bait admins/mods into censoring me
Why are you complaining to me about your own inability to understand basic English yet again?
Why are you yet again repeating questions Iāve directly given you and others in this thread answers to multiple times?
Yes, and thatās also vague and basically a constructed boogeyman.
Who else are the relevant agents in the Fediverse outside of the userbase, moderators and admins?
I donāt really trust you as a reliable narrator here, but itād be hard to demonstrate this either way given how awful Reddits search is looking for historical threads on this.
No, you have never answered this question. If youāre going to claim that ICANN would do this, itās just a completely empty conspiracy theory.
Didnāt ask.
Donāt get what youāre asking.
OK. Good for you or sorry that happened or whatever.
The ānoā implies this is in response to me claiming I answered a question I didnāt, but that doesnāt seem like something Iād do, and you keep lying constantly, and I donāt feel like checking what quote you copied and pasted.
Do what? If you mean the things Iāve claimed ICANN does, thatās incorrect. I havenāt really said anything about ICANN that would be a big secret or anything. Itās all pretty widely documented.