Iâve been trying Lemmy for a little while and wasnât sure how to feel about it.
Today, I wanted to start blocking the most high-censorship instances until I could find a fully zero-censorship instance and simply block all the ones with censorship. Filter bots, not people.
When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken âfederationâ system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but itâs never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmyâs official docs say you canât even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it wonât actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.
So you can only ever have the âaverage joe lemmyâ and âaverage joe redditâ with everything approved by the authorities, and then âtor copies of lemmyâ and âtor copies of redditâ where you have free speech but you can only reach other nerds.
People seem to think Lemmy is different because this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But itâs the exact same thing, itâs reddit.
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldnât let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they wonât let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
Itâs not actually a solution to reddit. Itâs not designed to be different, itâs designed to match the past today and then match redditâs present tomorrow, while being part of a system thatâs about the same in past, present, and future.
Last year, this year, and next year, youâre posting somewhere it wonât be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. Thereâs no difference here.
Lemmy urgently needs federation between onion service instances and DNS addresses in order to actually do what most users seem to wish it would do: allow discussion outside what the corporate authorities allow, while outgrowing reddit & helping undo the damage social media has done to human communication.
Edit - I was banned from my instance, and before being unbanned, some of my comments seem to have been removed. I apologize if I hurt anyoneâs feelings, but it seems pointless to try to discuss this topic here. Iâll give a few more replies, and then suggest any further responses be directed to me on nostr, where there are no bans. Iâve also had a good time posting on PieFed while I was banned, so Iâll probably keep spending time there. If anyoneâs curious, I had a thread about this topic on PieFed too. Btw, instead of the misplaced focus on bots, I should have said filter spam, not people earlier in this post.
I donât get what youâre trying to ask, but whatever it is, I get the feeling you ignored me saying âperhaps unintentionally.â
Didnât ask.
Not so far.
Itâs extremely weird that in this part you seem to have âeveryone being uncensoredâ confused with âthe Nazis censoring everyone elseâ
Get that looked at bro
Yeah, but I have more than 2 minutes in a day, so what do I do when Elon Musk has gotten as much of my attention as he deserves?
OK. Iâm not helping find one you can still look at. Iâm probably not helping find one at all. Try Google or something.
I donât. Why do you pretend I assume that, while ignoring my questions? Just a weak attempt at gaslighting, right?
No, that would be a waste of time to consider since Lemmy advertises itself as âself-hostableâ and there are people into so-called âself hostingâ who are also into free speech.
What uncensored feeds are you looking at currently to know this?
What? I am saying that in a completely uncensored feed, whatever the site is, youâll end up with nazis populating it. People donât want to interact and associate with nazis. I said nothing about that particular group censoring anything.
You could just use Twitter generally and interact in an almost no-moderating environment. Or go to 4chan. Or many other sites that Iâm sure exist.
So no evidence. Got it. You are just making things up.
Everything I do apparently is gaslighting, according to you.
So why do you think lemmy.world has rules beyond just blocking spam?
Yeah, Iâm talking about specific instances. The lemmy.world owners and admins. The sh.itjust.work owners and admins. They make their own decisions for their own instance. They donât control other instances that are made that yes, are self-hostable.
Good for them. Whatâs your point?
I donât get what youâre trying to ask. Again, I have not gotten any uncensored feeds just by wanting them so far. Freedom isnât free.
Itâs extremely weird that your explanation of what no censorship would supposedly be like, is exactly how Nazis censoring everyone else would actually be.
Nazis typically explain what no censorship would supposedly be like, by describing how it would actually be if they could censor everyone else - instead of actually explaining what no censorship would be like.
Why did you put this after a quote section of yet another question you ignored, while basically repeating the point I was addressing with that question? Just another attempt at gaslighting, right?
Incorrect. Did you try looking it up?
Thatâs not what I said, but it sounds like it might be a confession, falsely attributed to me.
Because itâs run by glowies, duh.
Why did you waste my time with such a dumb question right after quoting more of my questions you refuse to answer?
Not sure what you mean but sounds irrelevant
Internet stuff isnât literally self-hostable. âSelf hostingâ is basically just a euphemism for using your own server, not literal.
The point was what I said it was: that therefore, what you suggested considering would be a waste of time to consider.
Why did you need that repeated? Seems like more trolling and gaslighting
So you donât know what theyâll actually look like - but we can make a good guess by looking at Twitter and 4chan.
No? I said theyâd be there to take advantage of it and just spam up the feed.
Other repulsive people would be there too, of course.
âAny disagreement or question I donât like is gaslightingâ
You made the claims. You back it up. Not moving on this.
So every single community that has rules beyond âdonât spamâ are run by glowies? Without exception?
They arenât told to. They arenât pressured into. They have specific ideals for their instance that they wish to happen via the rules of their instance.
Okay. So? Iâm not interested in the semantics. The Lemmy software is accessible for anyone to spin up and use as they like.
Incorrect. Twitter is gone and was censored. X, the replacement, is censored. 4chan is censored.
Incorrect. You suggested they would be the ones censoring everyone else, not the ones having a bunch of removed spam posts.
Again, you might want to get that looked at by a professional.
Duh. This must go hard af when you have 62 IQ
Incorrect. Look up what gaslighting is.
Why?
Didnât ask.
You said âsoâ here like what youâre asking if this is a rephrasing of what I said.
No, and itâs a completely bad faith attempt to rephrase me.
Every single community that has rules beyond âdonât spamâ is run by people who agree with glowies on having more rules than âdonât spam,â and what I said was that lemmy.world, a particular instance (not every instance), is run by people who are glowies.
This shouldnât need to be clarified, but you keep making me clarify already-clear shit because youâre discussing this in bad faith.
Didnât ask, why waste time with this?
Into what? Probably incorrect, but finish your point
Didnât ask, why waste time with this?
Didnât ask, why waste time with this?
But less censored than most places, and theyâre a shithole.
No, I did not. Thatâs not what I meant. Youâre just wrong.
So now into personal insults, are we?
Have you heard of the burden of proof?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
Okay, thatâs not what you seemed to say initially. But so how is lemmy.world specifically ârun by glowiesâ?
âMy own poor ability to explain what I mean shouldnât be clarified. People should just know my clearly bizarre mindsetâ.
They arenât pressured into having rules that they hacvve chosen to have.
Thatâs what Lemmy means when they talk about self-hosting.
You seem to be operating under basic definitions of words that no-one else does.
Incorrect. Twitter, X, and 4chan so far have all been more censored than most places have been throughout human history, contributing to their shithole statuses.
Yes you did.
Didnât ask. Not my problem. Get it looked at by a professional.
Nope.
I donât know, are we? I definitely am.
Yes, I mentioned it earlier in this thread. The person it should be on in this context is you, since youâre the one making the outlandish claims and offering nothing to back them up.
Incorrect. You understood me fine, youâre just pretending otherwise as a form of gaslighting.
My understanding is they mainly use keyboard, mouse, and touchscreen for inputs, while using screens to see what theyâre doing.
Why did you just make me explain that? Dumb as fuck.
Stop putting your own statements in quote marks, itâs weird. And maybe you should stop wasting my time if you canât handle clarifying your own statements.
Incorrect, as I assumed.
What I asked was why waste my time with it when I didnât ask. This doesnât seem like a reason.
Incorrect. Maybe what you mean to say is Iâm one of the few people who still tend to use âliteralâ and âliterallyâ correctly.
You think theyâd somehow be better if they werenât censored? Both Twitter and 4chan have less rules than Reddit or Lemmy.
No, I did not.
You made an accusation, I reject it.
So should I report you? Thatâs usually against instance rules.
What claims have I made? Be specific.
No, you specifically said: âBecause theyâre glowiesâ. No nuance.
What is your definition of âglowieâ here? My understanding is that itâs supposedly an undercover government agent. Got any evidence for this for lemmy.world mods?
Iâll do whatever I like. And I wasnât clarifying my statements, more noting your complaining about being asked to clarify.
No reason to believe they are âpressuredâ. Youâve never backed this up.
You donât really use any words correctly. Theyâre all a bit off.
Not sure what youâre trying to say here. Get better at typing.
Is repeatedly lying making you feel better about any of this?
Sounds like a you problem.
I donât care, but your question baits me to say something you could try to use to justify getting me banned, which sucks. Try asking on nostr, where I canât be banned, if you want my answer.
Didnât ask.
Whatâs in it for me?
To be clear, thatâs a rhetorical question. I understand that you have nothing real to offer anyone.
Misuse of ânoâ since this doesnât change what I said, which is still true.
Also, didnât ask.
The colloquial one, originating from Terry Davis.
Yep.
Do you read what you type?
Didnât ask. You should stop putting your own statements in quote marks, itâs weird.
Again, didnât ask, didnât finish reading this sentence, stopped at âmoreâ since you keep refusing to explain why you wasted time typing things after I waste time reading them and ask why
Incorrect.
Incorrect again.
Incorrect yet again. Iâm basically the most fluent English speaker alive (and quite monolingual).