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  • Grapetruth@lemmy.worldtoMicroblog Memes@lemmy.worldDefenders of oatmeal
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    11 months ago

    Well that’s simply not true, I actually counted the practices I referenced and at least 14 out of 19 are standard practice in just about every dairy operation, are unavoidable on a large scale, and the other ones are extremely common as well. Also, thinking “the west” is better for animals is really misguided, since the US, Australia and the UK have some of the worst animal welfare standards in the world, and for example 99% of animal products come from factory farmed animals in the US. While more streamlined in developed countries, by all accounts, other countries aren’t quite as cruel toward animals as most western countries. This does have a lot to do with the fact that wealthier nations consume a lot more animal products than poorer nations on average. Take that as what you will. I’m not trying to point fingers at specific countries since every country in the world treats animals terribly in farming systems, and it couldn’t be any other way while we as a society are all consuming these products that need to be mass produced for a (rapidly increasing) human population.

    I reacted to your comment because it was the first and only comment I saw that supported using milk. I only said I’m not a robot to explain that by my human nature, I didn’t read every comment, and I only have a limited amount of time that I would spend on social media like this in general, let alone this specific comments section. And also, making the point once is probably enough for a lot of people to see it. My goal was achieved already. I’m sorry to single you out, or if you felt that was unfair. Rest assured, I blame everyone for supporting animal agriculture equally.


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    11 months ago

    Nice false appeal to hypocrisy to deflect away from the issue of animal exploitation, and blatant whataboutism. 2 wrongs don’t make a right. That’s a terrible argument.

    “Hey, stop beating kids!”

    “BuT I sAw yOu UsInG a SmArTpHoNe!”

    So as per your own admission (pretty much any device you could be using), that’s essentially unavoidable in the current world we live in if you want to be a functional person. Are animal products avoidable? Yes.

    That said, I bought my phone second hand from someone who doesn’t have an incentive or means to sell more. So I did not financially support any of the practices involved in the production. And only once it breaks down completely, my next phone will be a Fairphone, which is essentially the only ethical phone and didn’t exist when I got my current phone. What’s your next argument? Oh wait, all the arguments against veganism/defending animal exploitation are just bad faith, rubbish attempts to avoid addressing your own behaviour anyway.



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    11 months ago

    I don’t use Facebook lol. I’m glad we agree that dairy farming causes severe suffering for cows and their calves, hugely impacts climate change, and that we need to stop doing it for their own benefit, and ours.

    All of these practices still definitely happen on various farms around the world, especially in factory farming, and the worst of them are the standard practice. For example, cows make breast milk for their baby calves, not for humans. It’s exploitation by its very nature for humans to steal that milk. In almost all cases, the calves are denied the milk, separated from their mothers and killed for veal. Cows are artificially inseminated to keep them continually pregnant to produce milk, and have been selectively bred to overproduce so much that it very often causes them mastitis, lameness, spinal issues and destroys their bodies over time; sometimes they collapse completely. Once they can no longer produce milk, they too are killed for cheap beef at only 4-6 years old when they can live until 20-25. Any exception to this is rare, still involves immense harm to cows and calves, and can’t provide enough dairy for everyone (especially for cheese, which uses 10x as much milk than milk itself).

    Dairy farming is unsustainable and cruel, and the products are unhealthy for humans and contribute to inflammation and disease. Lactose intolerance in adulthood was the natural state of humans for a reason. The lactose persistent gene is an unnatural adaptation and doesn’t prevent the health impacts of dairy.




  • Oh I see, cheese is very addictive after all (casein turns into casomorphin in the body, which has an opioid effect). Just wondering, have you tried vegan/plant-based cheese? I love it. Does the same job as cheese for me, though I don’t have it that much.

    I personally decided that the ethical and environmental problems, in addition to the health impacts, of animal derived cheese/dairy weren’t worth purchasing and consuming it. But luckily we have products that taste exactly the same, lol.







  • It’s an oof because it shows, yes, we could live happily coexisting with animals without unnecessarily exploiting, enslaving, abusing and killing them for commodities and entertainment, which we have alternatives for. The future is vegan/plant-based and animal rights are respected in a progressive world.