Takapapatapaka

I think one interpretation of the quote that includes the possibility of a patriotism that does not exclude criticizing wrongdoing of your country is that “my country, right or wrong” does not mean “i support everything my country does”, but rather “even if i don’t support some things my country does, i’ll support my country generally”.

Precisely, the quote takes into account the existence of a patriotism able to recognize that a country can be wrong.

a niche theoretical definition of anarchy

I’m just refering to anarchy as it is defined in politics, not in common talk. Anarchy as disorder is not politics, it’s something wider (a chaotic room could be called anarchy in that sense). Anarchy as politics is a system minimizing authority. You cannot say in good faith that disorder is the concept of political anarchy, it is (in your opinion) a consequence of it.

that’s an ideal, not a demonstrated reality

Anarchist societies of modern times are short lived indeed, but if you take a close look at them it’s always because of states intervention (Paris commune, Ukrainian revolution, Spain libertarian communists, and nowadays Chiapas and Rojava).

it flattens critical distinction. […] isn’t arbitrary.

Distinction is arbitrary in essence. You choose on which axis to operate the distinction. You can differentiate violences based on their organization, on their legitimacy, on their targets, on their respect of any arbitrary moral values, etc.

The state’s monopoly on violence isn’t radical, it’s foundational to modern governance.

Governance is a monopoly on violence. You can precisely not govern without enforcing it through monopoly of violence. It’s like saying “X is not radical, because it’s necessary for X”.

denying the distinction between regulated and unregulated force is intellectually lazy.

I’m not as much denying the distinction as denying its actual positive impact. If you want another way to put it than “all violence is bad”, see it this way : organized violence is easier to hold back but far worse when unleashed, disorganized is the opposite. I’m not denying their difference, i’m saying in the end the amount of violence is the same, so the difference does not matter here.

pre-state societies existed, but they weren’t peaceful utopias.

Neither are states. My goal is not to romanticize either past stateless societies or current states, it’s to get the best of both. I don’t like the “All we’ve known was bad one way or another so why bother making something better ?” argument.

“Universal” in this context clearly refers to the widespread nature

Well mb, you were actually making a involuntary hyperbole. Just to be clear, “universal” is used to mean “literally all”. You also used expressions “that everybody has” and “All people share” which makes me think that you are of bad faith here, and were clearly meaning to encapsulate everyone, but anyway, let’s say that’s not the case.

I then stand by my take : most anarchists i know do not feel patriotism, especially as in “pride to belong to a nation”, and more generally as in “pride to belong to something greater”. I certainly do not. I can not say much more since your claim is both vague (assimilating patriotism to simple pride makes it even less definable) and not verifiable (you cannot point out every people feeling patriotism, and i can only say i know people that do not feel patriotism but you can always say that’s exceptions).

Anyway, this discussion is beginning to be very splitted in subdiscussions, and i see that you engaged in a similar fashion with other people, so i’d guess it would be useful to sum up. I think all our points can be moved under those respective banners : it seems that your more important value is stability of a civilization, from which you conclude that current states are good, and therefore patriotism, monopoly of violence are too. You also seem to deduce from lack of stable alternatives that current states are the only good option, and therefore anarchism and anti-state theories necessary leads to disorder. My take is to start from solidarity rather than stability, making monopoly of violence and by extension patriotism bad, and therefore current states too. I deduce from lack of stable alternatives that current states are a dangerous form of organization for anything else, and therefore state theories, from fascism to authoritarian socialism along with bourgeois oligarchies, necessary leads to violence.

If i’m not mistaken on your position, since we start from different values, we will always disagree on what comes after. I’d propose to stop there if we cannot bring anything useful other than “there are multiple opinions here”.

order over anarchy

There is a lexical error/approximation here. Anarchy does not oppose to order, anomy is. Anarchy just says that order must not emerge from authority but from solidarity. You can disagree, but saying that anarchy is disorder by definition is a mislabeling.

mislabels the state’s monopoly on violence as inherently radical

I disagree with this being a mislabeling (though i understand that it remains an opinion and you disagree with it). It is common to see any form of violence as radical, and i’ve seen this logic used by tenants of authority themselves under the saying “Violence is never a solution”. Adding distinction of organized/disorganized violence is an arbitrary choice, and there is no logical imperative of doing so : holding all types of violence accountable, no matter their positive potential, is not a mislabel, it is a take on violence. On another note, i’ll add that organized violence can be undoubtedly far worse than disorganized one at times of war and massacre. Also, evolution from _anarchydisorder to “order” is not that simple. From what we currently know, humanity lived far longer without structured power, and when those came with sedentarization, came wars and massacres too.

that’s a universal emotion that everybody has

Labeling something as “universal” without involuntary hyperbole is blatantly false. Humanity is made from diversity, and there are very few affirmations outside of physics that can correctly be applied to all of humanity. Everyone is unique, you’ll find some people without any patriotism (way more than you think) and even without pride.

Repeating history being entirely compatible with patriotism, right ?

People supporting their countries is not exactly radical.

Well from an anti-state perspective, supporting a country that commits radical acts such as monopoly of violence is by extension radical, but i think you meant that patriotism is widely spread, and that is relatively true, at least most people have patriotic “instincts” (even though in my experience, discussing and questioning their patriotism often reveals that they are patriotic by default and could have a different position if they reflected upon it).

it’s very common everywhere but Lemmy because this place is filled with tankies.

I’d say tankies are also patriotic, just not for USA. Fatherland is a quite important concept in post-leninism forms of authoritarian communism. From my experience, it’s much more common to find anti-patriotism in libertarian communism / anarchism than in despotic communism.

I feel like all those traits from patriotism are on a venn with something else like internationalism/antipatriotism, like they can indeed be found in patriotism but are not at the heart of what it is. Like, technically, german, italian or japanese patriots fought alongside nazis. You can say your country can do better regardless of whether you support its existence or not. It’s not necessary to learn from history to be a patriot, etc.

Or maybe the uniparty is a bad enough option so you keep not voting for it and allowing Hell On Earth instead. Fuck em both, but let’s stop pretending we are superior for not voting, that’s not the point.

Consistent through the year, sparing on both pyjamas and laundry, 17 to 20 are the way to go

This website seems to indicate that you can either do it in the bios directly, or with traditional overclocking softwares like MSI’s Afterburner.

Though you specified you don’t want to take it apart, i’d recommand changing your thermal paste anyway to avoid damaging your cpu. Maybe you can bring your pc somewhere else if the place where it’s at is the problem. But anyway, that’s none of my business.

If you’re afraid it might cause a problem, maybe you could try to say no one time (ideally at some time when you sense it’s not that important for your son, like not during a storm or after nightmares), just to see if that’s ok for him, or if that raises problems.

There are communities dedicated to music on Lemmy, though it won’t be personalized recommendations, you can still find pretty cool artists. I also share music with friends : you share them one music you like, they send back a music of their own. At some points, a friend of mine organized a Discord server to create 5-songs playlists on a theme each week, which we listened to and vote for our favorite each week. It was a very cool way of discovering new bands !

You can technically do this in Lethal Company, but since there’s no permanent way of communicating on long distances in game (you have to get items for this), it could be a bit frustrating at first. Maybe some mods enable it though.

I found Frieren to be quite slow, in a good way, but i think there are better options out there that i’m unaware of.