I quoted the article, these aren’t my words personally, just for the record.

Republicans are using this idea of masculinity to sway men into voting for them. The article is a really interesting read and does well at treating the topic of masculinity as it relates to this movement and not as a way to push men and boys into certain traits.

It’s hard to believe that they will be properly punished, but I’m hoping for it. We’ll see.

We’ll see. I’m not holding my breath.

Don’t be so smug about your country’s dealings with criminals such as these. These two have power and connections and money as well.

Prince Andrew would beg to differ.

I think any pushback on welcoming people who aren’t male, white, and tech-focused should be squashed. Like that’s absurd to only want this place to reflect what white male techs want when there’s more than enough capacity to have separate communities with different focuses. Thanks for clarifying you don’t agree with that viewpoint of being unwelcoming to “normal folks”.

A viewpoint being popular doesn’t make it right.

I felt the need to clarify since you chose my comment about needing more diversity of people with a quip about not wanting mainstream, normal folks.

It was the rampant sexism that initially turned me away from the fediverse. I think I tried two or three times before I found my groove and the communities that speak to me.

It’s not that confusing to use the Threadiverse and I think it’s a little snobbish of you to think crafts people shouldn’t be welcome if they get confused by some of the tech stuff here. I have never used Linux and can function fine on this site. You’re underestimating people.

my opinions are totally mainstream and moderate

Even mainstream and moderate opinions are not immune from criticism.

Incel ideology has expanded past the literal “involuntarily celibate” definition. One can be an incel without being a virgin:

Incel rhetoric invokes an idealized patriarchal society in which couples adhered to traditional gender roles, married early, and were strictly monogamous. During this mythologized “golden age”, incels imagine that all men had nearly unencumbered access to women as romantic partners, thereby reducing the competition for sex.[12][61][62] Incels often disagree about precisely when this golden age occurred, but they concur that it was gradually destroyed by feminism, the sexual revolution, women’s liberation, and technological progress.[61] As a result, incels tend to blame both women and the feminist movement for their inability to find a partner.[12][63] A 2025 study found involuntary celibacy was associated with criticism of liberalism. Incels were overwhelmingly found to be illiberal, supporting a more “just” traditional past in which men, as a social group, enjoyed a more privileged status. Stemming from this view, incels express strong aversion towards social outgroups that challenge men’s position: these groups namely include modern women, feminism, and the overall liberal, inclusive, pluralistic society as a whole that allows for the prominence of these outgroups.[64]

Incel discourse is characterized by resentment and hatred, self-pity, hostile sexism, anti-feminism, racism, sexual objectification and dehumanization of women, misogyny, misanthropy, and nihilism.[10] Discussions often revolve around the belief that men are entitled to sex from women.[73][67][74][75] In the incel worldview, the only solution to male sexlessness is a rigidly patriarchal social structure encompassing enforced monogamy and the elimination of women’s rights, thereby increasing women’s dependency on men.[80] Some incels also advocate for sexual slavery, legalized rape, punishment for female promiscuity, redistribution of women, and violence against feminists.[80][63]

Source

This is really cool! I’ll def download it and send some support :)

mainstream normal folks

Everyone who isn’t white and male, you mean?

I’m not sure the majority of us want to make this a more pleasant place for people who express the ideas you do. You’re free to express them, but you’re not free from criticism.

PS: But judging by the upvote tallies, we’re outnumbered about 3 or 4 to one. I have no idea how democracy will continue to exist if this is representative of the offline world.

You’re judging the resilience of democracy based on upvotes and downvotes?

Most of Lemmy is also white and male in addition to being left-leaning and tech focused. We really could use more diversity across the board here.

It’s a good read if you want to dive in. Maybe not revolutionary or new though as evidenced by your accidental correctness haha

This was an interesting read! And fun to find the inspiration for Nolan’s ‘Zeus’ Law’ in there as well:

• Xenia (ξενία, xenía) is an ancient Greek concept of hospitality, “guest-friendship”, or “ritualized friendship”. It was a social institution requiring generosity, gift exchange, and reciprocity.[15]Hospitality towards foreigners and traveling Hellenes was understood as a moral obligation under the patronage of Zeus Xenios and Athene Xenia. Many understand the Odyssey as a story principally concerned with the concept. For instance, the failure of the Suitors of Penelope to appropriately welcome disguised Odysseus into his own home can be seen as justification for their subsequent demise.[16]

also I think it’s 6 words, not 8, but that’s an easy typo

My best friend and myself have this type of deep love without it being sexual. Known each other for over 20 years now and have cared for the other in ways that are usually reserved for family. Like in sickness type of caring and now we live together. These strong bonds exist for sure.

gasp

It really has been that long.

No worries, it happens to the best of us.