All from in this thread in !world@lemmy.world about a chant at a British music festival where an artist said ādeath, death to the IDFā.
After other users were quoting that chant in the comments and had comments removed and banned, the hero of our story, @theacharnian@lemmy.ca (appearing as āacargitzā) pointed out that under international law, fighting an occupying force is legitimate. But apparently not under world news rules, as their removed comments and the many explanations from mods make clear in the thread.
Equally against the rules is the call for the eradication of an organisation or business, even without an explicit call to violence against individual members of the business.
In the same thread: user @DeathToTheIDF@lemmings.world had comments removed for being anti-American ā(again)ā, though I couldnāt see the first time. Itās not even clear to me how the removed comments were anti-American.
Bonus points for the āDC Comicsā removal reason. Though this seems to be incompetence, rather than malice.
Iām only responding here because youāre saying āthey know what they were arguing and youāre being disingenuous if you try to say otherwiseā and because youāre making a whole bunch of assumptions about my intent and my ā¦rationality. Basically, Iām only responding because youāre displaying a big degree of bad faith towards me, to the point where youāre not understanding what Iām actually saying, especially in the third comment that got me the ban.
The comment with the all caps, mentioning Greece and Ukraine, fine, sure. I tested the line, asking specifically about the TOS and got burned. Thatās your line. I still think itās a silly line, but thatās your line. Fine.
But the comment you banned me for is where I think you completely misunderstood me. Hereās the comment:
I thought the last line, the reference to the padrone would be making it crystal clear, but it didnāt. Itās from the movie 1900 and I guess my mistake was believing that this is a classic that everyone has seen. My bad. Here is what goes on: after the revolution, the peasants want to kill the Alfredo character (DeNiro), who is the padrone, the boss. But Depardieuās character, Olmo, makes the case that they should in fact not kill Alfredo, because his role as padrone is dead and Alfredo, no longer being the padrone is just a regular person now. The padrone is dead, Alfredo lives. Imagine if the Jacobins hadnāt guillotined Louis-XV, the line would be āthe king is dead, Louis is alive and we mustnāt kill him, because his continued existence is living proof that the institution of the monarchy is dead: he is now just a dude like the rest of usā.
My argument here is that the institution of Israeli apartheid must die, to free the Israelis themselves from the shackles of being āthe padroneā. Thatās why I write underneath long live all life, and list explicitly Judaism among the religions and the various Jewish nationalities (Mizrahi, Ashkenaz, Sephardi). They are Alfredo. May they live! And may their continued existence be statement to the death of the āpadroneā role, that Israeli nationalism has been ascribing to them.
When I say ādeath to israeli apartheidā and ādeath to the institutions and structures that uphold it with all its horrible outcomesā I am not advocating violence against people, I am advocating the destruction of horrific systems and institutions. I am saying the equivalent of ādeath to slaveryā, ādeath to patriarchyā, ādeath to capitalismā. And Iām adding explicitly in the people that will benefit from the death of these horrific systems and institutions precisely the groups of people that are currently benefiting from them. Iām not saying ādeath to the whitesā, I am saying āDeath to slavery and its institutions so that whites donāt have to be slaversā.
If, despite what I think, you understood all of that and still somehow construed my writing as ārepeated calls to violenceā, I donāt know what else to say.
Edit: in fact I think youāre also misrepresenting the context of my 1900 comment. It was not a follow up on the Greece/Ukraine comment. Instead, I was responding at a different branch of the thread, below a comment where someone was making the argument that ādeath to Appleā is not a threat of violence against the Apple CEO and employees. It was already in the context of discussing ādeath of institutionsā vs of people.
@jordanlund@lemmy.world youāre answering other things up and down the thread, but I havenāt heard from you. After this explanation do you still maintain that this post, that was apparently the straw that broke the camelās back and got me banned, was āadvocating violenceā?
Sorry, Iām being deluged with replies and Iām honestly TRYING to get to everyone.
You landed a temp ban (only 1 day left!) for repeatedly advocating violence. You were warned, and came back again.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=73704
First comment removed:
mod
RemovedĀ CommentĀ Iām advocating for the right of the Palestians to fight for their freedom. Do you deny that right? And for good measure, if I advocate for Ukrainians to fight for their freedom, VIOLENTLY, WITH GUNS, AND WITH KILLING OFF THE INVADERS TO THEIR HOMELAND, am I also breaking the TOS? If I say that my god damn ancestors DID THE RIGHT THING and KILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND GUNS the Italian fascists that invaded Greece in 1940, does THAT break the TOS?Ā byĀ ļæ¼acargitz@lemmy.ca
reason:Ā Advocating violence.
You were warned and came back again:
RemovedĀ CommentĀ Death to Israeli apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the Israeli Apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the occupation, the disposession and the genocide of Palestinians. Death to the structures that maim the humanity of both the colonizers and the colonized. Long live all the people who live in Palestine from the river to the sea. Long live the children, the life, all children, all life, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and other. Palestinian, Druze, Bedouin, Samaritan, Mizrahi, Ashkenaz, Sephardic, and other. āThe padrone is dead. But Alfredo Berlingheri is alive and we mustnāt kill him. [ā¦] Because he is living proof that the padrone is dead.ā Ā byĀ ļæ¼acargitz@lemmy.ca
reason:Ā Repeated calls for violence
You called for death FOUR TIMES after being told not to advocate for violence. So, yeah, 3 day ban.
Put on your big boy pants and deal with it.
Lol, zero engagement with my actual argument. Ok buddy, hope you get a breather.
I never saw an admit as dumb as him with dogmatic thinking.
Your argument is irrelevant. You called for death in two separate comments. Itās right there in black and white. You canāt deny it, itās preserved in the modlog.
1 day left on the temp ban. Be better when you come back.
For fuckās sake, Itās not the ban I care about.
Man, this is hopeless. Youāve pigeonholed me, made up your mind and thatās it. You perceive this whole interaction as me moaning about the ban, so you dismiss anything I have to say and talk down on me. This isnāt a discussion for you, there is no chance to communicate here anything. Bah.
No, there is no discussion when what you wrote is 100% clear. Where we go from here is entirely up to you.
Keep your nose clean in the communities I mod and weāll have no problem. You might even find Iām on your side more often than you think.
Revert to calling for violence again and youāll get bounced with a quickness.
I like how you quote the thing that proves you wrong and say āhey, this proves me right.ā
Rule 6: Do not advocate violence.
Removed comment #1:
āI advocate for Ukrainians to fight for their freedom, VIOLENTLY, WITH GUNSā
āDID THE RIGHT THING and KILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND GUNSā
bzzt - Removed.
Removed comment #2, following being warned, which earned the temp ban:
"Death toā¦
Death toā¦
Death toā¦
Death to⦠"
What part of no advocating violence is fucking unclear to you assholes? No, we arenāt going to let users call for Death.
Are you slow ? None of the below calls for a death of an actual person, you fucking idiot.
All of which is calling for death. Itās literally the first word. Theyāre trying to be precious about it by trying to couch it in uncertain terms, but this is a follow up post where they also called for death and violent action.
This is the equivalent of āIām not touching you! Iām not touching you!ā
Donāt be stupid and look at what theyāre doing in context. Theyāre calling for violent action, which is removable. Doing it repeatedly is bannable.
You are either a complete, clinical cretin or are pretending to be one to defend genocide. There are only two choices here.
This mod is abusive and I asked 9 months ago for him to be fired due to sexism and supporting a sexist commenter
LW admins love him to much to ever do that
(Because they are all abusive shitheads)
They love Jordan does their job for them.
fwiw, Iāve never even heard of the movie 1900 before, let alone seen it. I think Iāve only seen 1 Depardieu movieā¦maybe 1.5 (not sure if he has a cameo/archive appearance in the 2nd film of the pair): Jean de Florette.
But anyway, yeah I think your edit here really hits the mark. The comment is just so clearly not a call for violence. Both the context in which it was made and the content of it make that very clear.
What do you mean not everyone knows the filmography of Bernardo Bertolucci?! /s Yea, my bad. Itās a great movie, you should watch it.