The G.O.P. abandoned a bipartisan border security bill that also aided Ukraine after Democrats called their bluff on immigration, agreeing to tough measures Republicans demanded.

The G.O.P. abandoned a bipartisan border security bill that also aided Ukraine after Democrats called their bluff on immigration, agreeing to tough measures Republicans demanded.

But Democrats tripped them up by offering substantial — almost unheard-of — concessions on immigration policy without insisting on much in return. Now it is Republicans who are rapidly abandoning a compromise that gave them much of what they wanted, leaving aid to Ukraine in deep jeopardy, border policy in turmoil and Congress again flailing as multiple crises at home and abroad go without attention because of a legislative stalemate.

Wait, dems don’t ask for anything when conceding to right-wing bullshit? Wait, repubs don’t actually want the things they say they want? Repubs don’t actually want to govern?

Call me surprised.

  • FaceDeer@kbin.social
    73·
    10 months ago

    The problem is that right now the Democrats are all that the US has. These decisions need to be made right now and the Democrats are the only ones who physically have the ability to get them made in vaguely sane ways.

    So maybe you don’t like them, maybe you think they’re crap, maybe you think they’re doing a poor job. But that’s still the best you’re going to get right now, which is all that really matters for some very important things going on. And so we cheer them on.

    It’d be great if next chance the Americans get they swap them out for people who are better, but that chance isn’t coming along for a little while yet. And they’re stuck with a pretty shitty electorate, too, so that needs to be taken into account.

    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
      5·
      10 months ago

      Recognizing how shitty they are is A PART OF recognizing where we are.

      We are stuck in a burning forest. Republicans are the arsonists who started it, and the Democrats are a half-fouled moped that we must use to get out.

      Though we MUST recognize that we’ve been given a half-fouled moped and not a Land Cruiser…

      • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
        63·
        10 months ago

        Republicans are the arsonists who started it, and the Democrats are a half-fouled moped that we must use to get out.

        Republicans want to unload a tanker truck of gasoline on the fire, while Democrats are negotiating to only pour a couple of gallons on the fire, as opposed to arguing in favor of water.

        Democrats are not a part of the problem, the are the problem in the same way Republicans are.

        Pretending this was some kind of Democratic victory is self-delusion at its finest and the Lemmy community needs to do better.

        • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
          2·
          10 months ago

          Almost entirely agreed. They aren’t a problem in the same way, but the point still stands in that the result is the same: us burning alive in a forest fire while Democrats cheer about falling in to a ravine with fewer trees…

    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
      74·
      10 months ago

      There are long term electoral and policy consequences for these kinds of faux victories. We just watched the ratchet effect happen in real time. Republican border policy is now Democrat border policy.

      If the end result is stagnation there are less risky approaches. My biggest concern here is that Democrats will see this as a victory, and next time they are feeling their oats, they’ll try it again and get their hand slammed in the rat trap, and some insane piece of legislation will be one step closer to becoming law.

      It was a stupid fucking plan and they got lucky. To your point, the Dems are all we have. They shouldn’t be taking these kinds of low reward, high risk plays.

      • FaceDeer@kbin.social
        57·
        10 months ago

        And perhaps that’s a sacrifice that’s worth making to prevent Ukraine from being genocided by Russia. Your judgment of what is a “low reward” is not necessarily shared by everyone.

        • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
          11·
          10 months ago

          Ah yes, you worry about Ukraine while our entire democracy here at home slips away…

          Fucking pathetic target fixation from you.

          • FaceDeer@kbin.social
            24·
            10 months ago

            Your democracy isn’t going to vanish because you’ve got some overly-strict border controls for a while.

            Ukraine can vanish if Russia is able to conquer it. Millions of people can die in gulags, of starvation, or have their children taken away and “reedcuated.” It’s literally happened to Ukraine before. Russia is explicitly trying to do that to it again right now.

            So excuse me for my priorities.

            • MotoAsh@lemmy.world
              11·
              10 months ago

              It’s not the border policy that would end the US. It’d be Democrats failing to make the evil murderers of the Republican party look like the evil murderers they are. When the US cannot tell who the baddies are, it is EVERYONE’S problem.

              The Republicans have an actual plan, laid out in writing, to take over the government. They WILL try. We need an America capable of handling that, not one myred in Democrat’s capitulations to Republicans.