I mean you can understand why he did it. If a person you are close to is accused of the same thing you would do the same. And when is saying “innocent until proven guilty” became a bad thing. Are we really starting to persecute people people before they are proven guilty? I understand what he did damaged lot of lives but also understand there are people who falsely accused others and ruined their lives. Now coming to ashton being a hypocrite and not giving same benefit of doubt is not something i can comment on because I do not follow his life. I hope now that danny is proven guilt aston understands what kind of person danny is.
My understanding is that the letter he and Mila wrote in defense of Danny was after Danny was found guilty. They were asking for a more lenient sentence.
“Innocent until proven guilty” isn’t really the problem. That’s the assumption the government has to make, and it’s a pretty good idea.
He’s not the government nor is he acting in a legal capacity. It’s perfectly fine - it’s even perfectly logical - to look at the evidence brought against someone and decide that they’re guilty. I think Trump is guilty as fuck. It doesn’t mean he’s going to get a guilty verdict, but he sure as hell did the things he’s charged with, and more.
Ashton’s position was that his friend was innocent. Despite the testimony of the women involved, he played coy. Again, that’s his right, but it’s something you’d expect from someone with a more obviously misogynistic history. A better statement would have been something like “I know Danny, and I can’t imagine him doing that. I hope he didn’t commit those rapes and that he is found innocent, but the women deserve to be heard and I hope justice is done.” He could even leave off the bit about justice if he’s still wanting to go to Danny’s holiday party.
Anyway, what people are really pissed about is that, after all the evidence was presented and the guilty verdict was returned, both he and Mila wrote letters to the judge asking for leniency in sentencing and stating that he was not a danger to anyone. That’s throwing shit right into the faces of the women he raped. They chose to side with their Hollywood friend over the victims he raped, because they think he’s still a nice guy despite it all. It’s offensive to everyone, but especially to rape victims. It’s hard enough to go to trial and get a conviction for a rapist. It is estimated that over 450,000 rapes occur in the US each year. There’s only about 3000 rape convictions per year. That’s a less than 1% chance that a rape results in a conviction. It’s also a traumatic process for the victim, who faces everything from victim blaming to having to relive the event over and over and in public.
So, they’re both assholes in my book. No talent ass-clowns, if you like. I hope this stays around long enough to get them blacklisted. Let it be an albatross around their necks.
It’s like there’s 3 decent people in all of Hollywood. But yeah, celebrities are not your friends. And anyone involved in NFT is the scum of the earth.
Plus if you’re gonna do an apology, don’t do it looking like you just woke out of bed and are being forced to say these things. Everything about that apology was wrong on every level lol. So insincere.
I’ve never heard those names in my life. Probably part of the reason.
Edit: I just asked my partner if she had ever heard those names and she said they were the other cast members of That 70’s Show, so I probably know who they are but never their names.
It reminds me a bit of the whole Eva Green controversy, where it was revealed she called other people peasants.
She’s a star, she knows she’s a star, she’s not going to pretend she’s not a star. Haughty, imperious, out of touch. Weirdly, my respect for her grew after that whole thing.
Nothing worse than a star who pretends to be humble or contrite.
Ashton and Mila would have been far better saying nothing or only commenting through their representation like the A-listers they are.
Or were. Kutcher hasn’t had a decent movie… Well ever. I feel worse for Kunis who was a legitimate star until recently but has kinda gone into the shit here by association.
I mean I agree she shouldn’t have written the letter and that neither of them should’ve, but it’s not as if they actually raped the women. So it’s all by association.
Edit: and she didn’t even make the pervy groomer comments during the trucker hat era
Maybe they should write a letter in support of the stoner cats to the SEC. Here, I’ll start it for you.
Stoner Cats are role models, and set an extraordinary standard around how you treat other people.
I lost so much respect for them. Fuck Ashton Kutcher and fuck Mila Kunis. Hypocrite cunts, the lot of them.
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I mean you can understand why he did it. If a person you are close to is accused of the same thing you would do the same. And when is saying “innocent until proven guilty” became a bad thing. Are we really starting to persecute people people before they are proven guilty? I understand what he did damaged lot of lives but also understand there are people who falsely accused others and ruined their lives. Now coming to ashton being a hypocrite and not giving same benefit of doubt is not something i can comment on because I do not follow his life. I hope now that danny is proven guilt aston understands what kind of person danny is.
My understanding is that the letter he and Mila wrote in defense of Danny was after Danny was found guilty. They were asking for a more lenient sentence.
“Innocent until proven guilty” isn’t really the problem. That’s the assumption the government has to make, and it’s a pretty good idea.
He’s not the government nor is he acting in a legal capacity. It’s perfectly fine - it’s even perfectly logical - to look at the evidence brought against someone and decide that they’re guilty. I think Trump is guilty as fuck. It doesn’t mean he’s going to get a guilty verdict, but he sure as hell did the things he’s charged with, and more.
Ashton’s position was that his friend was innocent. Despite the testimony of the women involved, he played coy. Again, that’s his right, but it’s something you’d expect from someone with a more obviously misogynistic history. A better statement would have been something like “I know Danny, and I can’t imagine him doing that. I hope he didn’t commit those rapes and that he is found innocent, but the women deserve to be heard and I hope justice is done.” He could even leave off the bit about justice if he’s still wanting to go to Danny’s holiday party.
Anyway, what people are really pissed about is that, after all the evidence was presented and the guilty verdict was returned, both he and Mila wrote letters to the judge asking for leniency in sentencing and stating that he was not a danger to anyone. That’s throwing shit right into the faces of the women he raped. They chose to side with their Hollywood friend over the victims he raped, because they think he’s still a nice guy despite it all. It’s offensive to everyone, but especially to rape victims. It’s hard enough to go to trial and get a conviction for a rapist. It is estimated that over 450,000 rapes occur in the US each year. There’s only about 3000 rape convictions per year. That’s a less than 1% chance that a rape results in a conviction. It’s also a traumatic process for the victim, who faces everything from victim blaming to having to relive the event over and over and in public.
So, they’re both assholes in my book. No talent ass-clowns, if you like. I hope this stays around long enough to get them blacklisted. Let it be an albatross around their necks.
I don’t follow celebrity or pop culture so it doesn’t make it to my radar till they do some dumb shit like this and show their true colors.
It’s like there’s 3 decent people in all of Hollywood. But yeah, celebrities are not your friends. And anyone involved in NFT is the scum of the earth.
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Yep, silence is usually the way to go.
Plus if you’re gonna do an apology, don’t do it looking like you just woke out of bed and are being forced to say these things. Everything about that apology was wrong on every level lol. So insincere.
Mila was trying really hard to not roll her eyes toward the end there.
I’ve never heard those names in my life. Probably part of the reason.
Edit: I just asked my partner if she had ever heard those names and she said they were the other cast members of That 70’s Show, so I probably know who they are but never their names.
It’s the parents
Clarence Boddicker
It reminds me a bit of the whole Eva Green controversy, where it was revealed she called other people peasants.
She’s a star, she knows she’s a star, she’s not going to pretend she’s not a star. Haughty, imperious, out of touch. Weirdly, my respect for her grew after that whole thing.
Nothing worse than a star who pretends to be humble or contrite.
Ashton and Mila would have been far better saying nothing or only commenting through their representation like the A-listers they are.
Or were. Kutcher hasn’t had a decent movie… Well ever. I feel worse for Kunis who was a legitimate star until recently but has kinda gone into the shit here by association.
Nah. She also wrote a letter. That’s not just “gone into the shit by association.” She’s just as bad as him.
I mean I agree she shouldn’t have written the letter and that neither of them should’ve, but it’s not as if they actually raped the women. So it’s all by association.
Edit: and she didn’t even make the pervy groomer comments during the trucker hat era