A Russian kamikaze drone on Wednesday flew into NATO air space and detonated near a Romanian village, Ukrainian news reports said, but official Bucharest said the fact of the strike wasn’t confirmed and that they would check.
Ukrainian social media video recorded in the river port city of Izmail, opposite Plaura, showed an orange flash lighting up the night horizon and a booming blast on the Romanian side of the river. Flames and smoke reaching hundreds of meters into the sky were visible following the explosion. A Russian kamikaze drone strike against Izmail had been in progress at the time.
There are already young men going to war to die.
Why have more? Better yet why not try to stop the ones that are?
more to stop it faster.
This whole war was 100% avoidable and you think that escalating it would make it end faster… dude…
Every war was just as avoidable as this one. Yet we live in a world where not everyone wants to avoid war.
War is what happens when those who want to avoid it are forced into interaction with those who don’t.
If those who don’t want war simply choose not to fight, then a state worse than war exists.
avoidable how? Putin wants his old territories, like crimea, back. How is his land grab 100% avoidable?
Crimea had been in Russian hands for nearly a decade when Russia invaded.
Right, and Putin wanted more than just Crimea.
Nearly a decade since they took it from Ukraine. So the solution to avoid war is handing Russia all territory they want? Where does that stop? At the polish border? At the German border? French border? At the Atlantic?
The point here is that you don’t even know the basic facts you’re talking about. Russia didn’t want Crimea in 2022; they already had it.
It’s also laughable – genuinely embarrassing – to suggest Russia is trying to conquer all of Europe. Pure fantasy plucked straight out of thin air.
As for deterrence, that’s already been accomplished, especially if you believe the casualty numbers Ukranian propaganda puts out. Clearly there is a cost to war. The goal now is to end the fighting on as favorable of terms as you can realistically get.
Well yeah, they had it in 2022 because they wanted it in 2014 when they took it from the sovereign country of Ukraine.
And I am not suggesting anything, I was asking where they will stop after conquering Crimea and currently trying to conquer Ukraine. So, where will they stop - if at all?
I think different parties have different goals in this war. And in general I think the goal of a sovereign country, to stay sovereign within their own borders is not an illegitimate goal.
It was all about Ukraine joining nato. Had there been a promise that Ukraine would not join nato, this war would not have happened. The people in charge knew this and decided to do seek Ukraine joining nato anyways, why would they do this if they knew it would cause war?
Bullshit. Crimea was invaded mere days after the change of power in 2014, far before anyone of note was seriously talking about Ukraine joining NATO. Support for separatists elsewhere soon followed. It was about Russia exerting a “sphere of influence” that it felt entitled to. The Russian leadership can’t seem to get that countries are joining NATO because of Russian imperialism, past and present.
Russia took over Crimea due to the overthrow of the Pro russian government with a pro west government, a thing they also found as direct provocation. Why did Russia invade Georgia?
They could have waited or tried to make a deal with the new government. They did neither and immediately invaded without making an attempt at an arrangement.
Are you trying to get me to say NATO? Because that conflict far predates NATO involvement.
Nato entering would basically be an overwhelming force against Russia. It’s going to end real quick after that.
That would kill millions at minimum and likely result in nuclear war. It’s utterly psychopathic to cheerlead this and totally detached from the horrors you’re wishcasting. Disgusting.
Okay so you want a hot war between Russia and NATO and you think that would be less violent?
Where are you getting your information from?
So then russia uses tactical nukes, then what?
Putin would know fully well that M.A.D. isnt worth it over the russo-ukranian war.
You apparently don’t
Are you aware that he has threatened this multiple times? Who do you think Ukraine is more imporant to Russia (its neighbor) or the US (a country on the other side of the world where a good portion of people couldnt point to it on a map)?
Yeah because only USA is part of NATO (yeah disregard all EU member states of NATO why don’t you) and only on a flat map is it on the other side of the world. It’s literally across the Bering strait.
War is death. There is no glory. There is no pride. None of them are heroes by choice, and many never feel like heroes after their friends die by their side.
War is violence. A desire of man to take with force the independence of a people and exchange that for subservience under the guise of land, resources, need.
Young people are tricked to serve. Recruited to become servants, coerced through deceit to don colors and weapons. Made to repeat mistakes because smaller men want and are not freely given. To solely defend and defy the overreaching end of a tyrant’s sword is to fight for reason earned from treachery and desire.
Humanity is not defined by grief. We are defined by the selfless acts of love and kindness in the darkest hours. Make no mistake; monsters do exist, and the worst are never the ones in harm’s way.
But sometimes you need to punch a bully in the mouth to protect the subject of their bullying. The only thing needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. In this case it would be a selfless act of love and kindness.
How would you describe what Azov paramilitary groups were doing in eastern Ukraine from about 2014-2022
Almost like propagating breakaway “states” in all of your neighbors territories empowers nationalist in said neighboring states?
How would you describe what Igor Girkins “paramilitary” group were doing in eastern Ukraine in 2014? You know, when he wasn’t shooting down a plane full of civilians…
When an individual does that, they are doing so with a clear choice that they made. In a war, men die and leave families behind, and because they chose to defend their country, they are used to defend the interests of those with long swords and heavy sticks. They die without a choice far too often because they were tricked into believing they defend their homes.
All too often they’re forced into conflict that has very little to do with that choice. If our military didn’t try so hard to coerce and trick younger people into joining and thus being forced into conflict, I would be a bit less resentful and hateful towards the practice. That, however, is not the case.