• nuke@sh.itjust.worksM
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    3 months ago

    It’s not questionable at all, though. This operation has been a resounding success. Ukraine gained hundreds of POWs that can be used to exchange for their own people, they’re digging in and holding land and resources that can later be used during negotiations, and they’ve proven not just once but twice they are capable of sudden surprise attacks that can puncture Russian lines and take huge amounts of territory in a single sweep. That last fact alone will force Russia to recalculate their placements along the front line and move more troops to reinforce perceived weak points, taking focus away from elsewhere.

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      3 months ago

      What if Putin just screams, “nukes nukes nukes!”? Should everyone immediately capitulate, thereby ensuring every other country in the world chases nukes for leverage?

      • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        He tried that, and it’s suspected USA sent him a picture of a nuke with the coordinates of his secreted bunker written on it, with “you die first” below

          • Dutczar@sopuli.xyz
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            3 months ago

            Hasn’t he threatened to use nukes multiple times over the war already? Ignoring the threats generally worked out.

            • Natanael@slrpnk.net
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              3 months ago

              His problem is nukes can only be used as a last resort when your country already has started to fall, otherwise you will trigger your own country to fall quite soon after (retaliation strikes, sanctions, fallout, riots, etc)

              So nobody will take it as a serious threat in response to anything less than a major attack on the capital or equivalent.

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            3 months ago

            OK, but I still don’t really get what this has to do with the original comment. I think it wasn’t really the right place to put this.

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Using nukes is a cry for desperation by Putin, and that would look bad for him for the Russians and for the rest of the world.

    • Aurix@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      I am not about this operation in particular which obviously makes sense and does see its success. In the grand context of this war the daily losses to human life is just too great for whatever these sides try to achieve. There won’t be a magic collapse at this point with the speeds of territory changes. Ukraine swept into this poorly defended territory easily, as soon as entrenchments are built, it will be a slow moving, bloody fight as everywhere else on the frontlines.

      These propaganda memes trying to pretend there is some magic win button just ignore the reality of how resource grating this war really is and in jow much trouble Ukraine is since the fall of Avdiivka.

    • Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works
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      3 months ago

      Thanks for explaing it so succintly for those that read after. I’ll add that this also expands the options avaliable to Ukraine in future combat fronts, pulling Russian attention and resources, and likely securing more current information on Russian troops. Not that Aurix will try to think about it or be convinced.