The attitude that led to Trumps victory is born of the very belief that the ship sailed long ago. It turns out that when you paint your common man as a villain, their ego is all too happy to oblige. Or just burn out and stay home, calling it someone else’s problem.
I’m not sure why you are so eager to blame your common man when you yourself are quick to point out that billionaires are the problem.
I do blame the common man. Shit like this is why I’m a misanthrope. Humanity is so disappointing. Biggest brains imaginable, yet not using them.
Reality is making me a bitter man.
GTFO bro. this entire “we need to have ‘conversation’ with nazis” was never going to happen. it’s a fucking cult. they literally throw cold hard facts out the window the instant it veers out of alignment with trump’s propaganda machine.
it’s actually not surprising to me, that you’re blaming everyone EXCEPT ignorant brainwashed hateful racist misogynistic trump voters for trump winning. because you’ve also been somehow convinced that they are the victims here. you are 10000000% wrong, and i’ll repeat what i said ad infinitum:
fuck trump, fuck everyone who voted for him, fuck everyone who voted 3rd party, and fuck everyone who didn’t vote.
Please go back to the start of this conversation. I did not say we should be learning to understand nazis. Fuck nazis. But your average person who stayed at home is not a racist, secret neo-nazi. A large portion of voters who chose Trump over Kamala are also not voting to hurt others. By and large, voters are uneducated by design, and feeding into that design by calling them all nazi’s is deepening the problem.
I feel for you, because I also know how you get to feelings like yours, but this attitude is one of many problems, and I am approaching it exactly the way I am suggesting we need to: with understanding and discussion. I’m not blaming you. I get it. And that’s exactly my point.
this approach has been failing for years. if you voted for a nazi, then guess what, you’re a fucking nazi. if you voted 3rd party, or didn’t vote at all, then nazism wasn’t that big of a problem for you, and you’re a nazi.
again, (and again and again), this “we need to have ‘conversation’ with them” has completely failed, as evidenced by 11/5/2024.
but seriously, how do you propose to talk to someone who dismisses verifiable evidence in favor of whatever fantasy bullshit trump just pulled out of his ass 10 seconds ago? someone who, instead of saying “maybe i misspoke,” will draw a shitty circle on a NOAA weather map with a sharpie to try and “prove” that he was right about where a hurricane would hit?
my advice to you is start really thinking about who your real friends will be under fascism-- trump voters? LOL
possible. however, unlikely.
Not division, just facts. Millions sat on their hands rather than do the bare minimum to forestall whatever the Hell the right wing is going to unleash on us all. There are plenty of reasons why Trump won and lazy shits who wouldn’t vote in light of Project 2025 are absolutely part of the problem. I’d tell you all to go fuck yourselves, but you already did…
Right, and that is awful, but it’s ignorant and self-defeating of us to make enemies and play the blame game instead of seeking conversations and understanding.
If you tell people this is their fault and make them into the enemy, they will gladly act as the enemy. And they’ll blame everyone but themselves, a fact Trump has been far too happy to exploit.
No. Going full bore worked for Republicans, I want it in my representatives and peers. No more reaching across the aisle, no more compromise, woke up or die
It’s really just that there isn’t much point in desperately courting people who do nothing. Over and over again. With no real evidence of anything different ever happening.
If you can’t show up, that’s awful. If you don’t show up, that’s on you. If people notice you don’t show up and plan around you… that’s your fault. You weren’t there. You’ll probably never be. It becomes more sensible, eventually, to work with those who are.
Smugness is blaming them for accepting your intransigence. It’s not anyone else’s fault. It’s just you.
Right. The problem is that the people who benefit from the way things are happen to be the same ones who can pass the laws necessary to change voting to be mandatory. It’s not happening anytime soon.
Not to mention the fact a majority of this country (the US) is absolutely braindead politically and it will only get worse as the department of education is dismantled from the inside out.
Conversation. Understanding. Not creating enemies out of moderates.
Trump won because he appeals to people that we choose to neglect as simply ignorant, uneducated, stupid, etc. We have to accept that these people get a say, and show them that their decisions with Trump were not in their best interest, instead of continuing to insult them while their ego leads them to shoot themselves in the foot to spite us.
Don’t forget, the non-voters are just as complicit as the Trumpers.
Ah, yes, that’s the solution, sow more division.
meh. the “let’s come to a common understanding” ship sailed long ago
fuck trump, fuck everyone who voted for him, fuck everyone who voted 3rd party, and fuck everyone who didn’t vote.
some people will suffer more than others because of this, but you know who won’t suffer shit? billionaires, and that was the plan all along
The attitude that led to Trumps victory is born of the very belief that the ship sailed long ago. It turns out that when you paint your common man as a villain, their ego is all too happy to oblige. Or just burn out and stay home, calling it someone else’s problem.
I’m not sure why you are so eager to blame your common man when you yourself are quick to point out that billionaires are the problem.
The common man keeps falling for it when he has an obligation to be better
I do blame the common man. Shit like this is why I’m a misanthrope. Humanity is so disappointing. Biggest brains imaginable, yet not using them.
Reality is making me a bitter man.
GTFO bro. this entire “we need to have ‘conversation’ with nazis” was never going to happen. it’s a fucking cult. they literally throw cold hard facts out the window the instant it veers out of alignment with trump’s propaganda machine.
it’s actually not surprising to me, that you’re blaming everyone EXCEPT ignorant brainwashed hateful racist misogynistic trump voters for trump winning. because you’ve also been somehow convinced that they are the victims here. you are 10000000% wrong, and i’ll repeat what i said ad infinitum:
fuck trump, fuck everyone who voted for him, fuck everyone who voted 3rd party, and fuck everyone who didn’t vote.
edit: this sums it up https://lemmy.world/post/22517923
Please go back to the start of this conversation. I did not say we should be learning to understand nazis. Fuck nazis. But your average person who stayed at home is not a racist, secret neo-nazi. A large portion of voters who chose Trump over Kamala are also not voting to hurt others. By and large, voters are uneducated by design, and feeding into that design by calling them all nazi’s is deepening the problem.
I feel for you, because I also know how you get to feelings like yours, but this attitude is one of many problems, and I am approaching it exactly the way I am suggesting we need to: with understanding and discussion. I’m not blaming you. I get it. And that’s exactly my point.
this approach has been failing for years. if you voted for a nazi, then guess what, you’re a fucking nazi. if you voted 3rd party, or didn’t vote at all, then nazism wasn’t that big of a problem for you, and you’re a nazi.
again, (and again and again), this “we need to have ‘conversation’ with them” has completely failed, as evidenced by 11/5/2024.
but seriously, how do you propose to talk to someone who dismisses verifiable evidence in favor of whatever fantasy bullshit trump just pulled out of his ass 10 seconds ago? someone who, instead of saying “maybe i misspoke,” will draw a shitty circle on a NOAA weather map with a sharpie to try and “prove” that he was right about where a hurricane would hit?
my advice to you is start really thinking about who your real friends will be under fascism-- trump voters? LOL
possible. however, unlikely.
Not division, just facts. Millions sat on their hands rather than do the bare minimum to forestall whatever the Hell the right wing is going to unleash on us all. There are plenty of reasons why Trump won and lazy shits who wouldn’t vote in light of Project 2025 are absolutely part of the problem. I’d tell you all to go fuck yourselves, but you already did…
Right, and that is awful, but it’s ignorant and self-defeating of us to make enemies and play the blame game instead of seeking conversations and understanding.
If you tell people this is their fault and make them into the enemy, they will gladly act as the enemy. And they’ll blame everyone but themselves, a fact Trump has been far too happy to exploit.
No. Going full bore worked for Republicans, I want it in my representatives and peers. No more reaching across the aisle, no more compromise, woke up or die
This is a gross misunderstanding of why it worked for the Republicans. But okay.
I’m not suggesting more compromise and more moderate politics. I am suggesting we stop building strawmen.
How do you know that every non voter was going to vote against Trump?
Don’t know that, didn’t say that
Yes okay what will they do to us? More nothing? Oh well.
They’ll choose not to vote again.
Is the goal change or smug self-satisfaction?
Well… no real loss then, huh?
Smug self-satisfaction it is, I see. Good luck.
It’s really just that there isn’t much point in desperately courting people who do nothing. Over and over again. With no real evidence of anything different ever happening.
If you can’t show up, that’s awful. If you don’t show up, that’s on you. If people notice you don’t show up and plan around you… that’s your fault. You weren’t there. You’ll probably never be. It becomes more sensible, eventually, to work with those who are.
Smugness is blaming them for accepting your intransigence. It’s not anyone else’s fault. It’s just you.
What’s the solution?
Mandatory voting. In Australia you have to pay a fee if you don’t want to vote. They seem to like it because it keeps the extremes out.
Right. The problem is that the people who benefit from the way things are happen to be the same ones who can pass the laws necessary to change voting to be mandatory. It’s not happening anytime soon.
Not to mention the fact a majority of this country (the US) is absolutely braindead politically and it will only get worse as the department of education is dismantled from the inside out.
Regardless, it’s a good idea. How many things worth doing should be thrown out because they’re hard to do?
Conversation. Understanding. Not creating enemies out of moderates.
Trump won because he appeals to people that we choose to neglect as simply ignorant, uneducated, stupid, etc. We have to accept that these people get a say, and show them that their decisions with Trump were not in their best interest, instead of continuing to insult them while their ego leads them to shoot themselves in the foot to spite us.