Remember when the youth hated censorship and overreach from the man? I 'member.
C’mon, what do we have to do to stop zoomers from bending right over.
It’s an upside down world where one thinks banning Tiktok isn’t censorship and government overreach; but having the freedom to chose what social media to participate in, is.
A yes, like the freedom to buy a Windows licence to run basic required software, or the freedom to have a TV that updates to include banner unremovable ads. The freedom to give all your freedom away, so essential for innovation. /s
You’re argument is basically that you should have the right to to ruin yourself. Look, that normally has merit, because people know what’s best for them. But, I think it’s pretty clear that when it comes to tech people don’t know what’s best for them.
Meanwhile, within TikTok, it’s pretty clear that censorship is openly endorsed. You can’t even say “gun” on TikTok, and god knows how much user information they have to “play around” with.
I still do, but I’m not very young anymore, most people who regularly use TikTok are probably younger than me.
I’ve been very cynical about the TikTok ban, and assumed people would work around it by sideloading the APK on Android phones, after it was removed from the app stores (which, as I detailed in this comment, could theoretically get random users who share the APK with friends prosecuted by the federal government and charged with a $5000 per user fine)
but this is exceeding my wildest expectations
“oh, but it’s full of Chinese propaganda!!!” people will whine. cool. don’t care. Twitter and Facebook are full of American propaganda, no one seems to be falling over themselves to ban those apps from app stores.
if propaganda is the concern, have schools teach critical thinking and how to recognize propaganda techniques. they won’t do that, of course, because they want people to be susceptible to American propaganda.
haha class solidarity go brrr. the average American worker has more in common with the average Chinese worker than they do with an American oligarch. all of the American propaganda about how Chinese people are inherently untrustworthy and nefarious is gonna fall apart as people interact with actual Chinese people and realize “oh they’re pretty much just like me, other than the language barrier”.
and TikTok-style shortform video is very nearly the ideal medium for surmounting that language barrier. it was already commonplace to have captions in TikTok videos. start captioning videos on RedNote in both English and Chinese and bang, language differences don’t matter nearly as much anymore.
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the average American worker has more in common with the average Chinese worker than they do with an American oligarch
The average American worker has also more in common with the average Chinese worker than they do with an
American oligarchChinese oligarch and Chinese dictator. So your argument is not very valid.all of the American propaganda about how Chinese people are inherently untrustworthy and nefarious is gonna fall apart as people interact with actual Chinese people and realize “oh they’re pretty much just like me, other than the language barrier”.
No one says that Chinese people are worse or better than Americans or any other people on this planet. We’re all the same. The problem here is the dictatorship in China that collects data of Americans and other people around the globe as others in this thread already have said. The Chinese people are fine, the Chinese government is not.
And you think Xiaohongshu is run by the Chinese workers? Lol no. This is idiots digging themselves deeper into an even more walled garden.
An actual FOSS platform like the one we’re on would get banned over there very quickly.
Twitter and Facebook are full of American propaganda
I see the Whataboutism Olympics are off to a good start this year.
Why is this always the only defense people have when they bend over backwards to write apologia for dictatorships like China and Russia?
Not that I care about TikTok one way or another, but one of the best arguments I’ve seen against banning it dealt with supposed protection of Americans’ data. And I’m pretty sure that’s the approach that lawmakers have taken with this; it’s not that Chinese propaganda is bad, it’s that China shouldn’t have this much private info on Americans. I believe that’s the primary angle they’ve taken to get around First Amendment concerns.
Anyway, the argument is, “Oh, but it’s OK for US tech companies to harvest data? That’s it’s OK that we have weak privacy and data protection laws? As long as US companies are doing it, then it’s not a problem?” Because, remember the laws says that the company becomes “unavailable” in the US if not sold to an American company. Presumably, if TikTok were sold to a US company, then the app could continue with no issue, tracking and collecting tons of data on Americans to be packaged and sold to the highest bidders.
I will admit, I was somewhat more pro-ban before hearing that argument. But now I’m more neutral. I don’t use it, so I’m not/shouldn’t be affected. But the government trying to hide behind data privacy and protection to ban TikTok does feel rather empty.
And I’m pretty sure that’s the approach that lawmakers have taken with this
well, sometimes…I linked in this comment to some statements made by the Republican congressman who sponsored the original bill. he was pretty clear that he wanted the ban because he thinks TikTok is pushing propaganda, not just from the Chinese, but the Chinese Communist Party (which has been a long-standing right-wing bogeyman - that congressman was even the chair of the “House Select Committee on the CCP”)
I believe that’s the primary angle they’ve taken to get around First Amendment concerns.
this is true, in the same way that Trump in his first campaign promised a “Muslim ban” and then when they tried to actually implement it they realized they needed to frame it as a “travel ban…applying to countries that happen to have a lot of Muslims…oh and also North Korea because look at us, we’re definitely not discriminating against people based solely on religion”
everyone (except the right-wing hacks on the Supreme Court) saw through the “travel ban” facade pretty easily. it’s been disappointing to see how many people uncritically repeat “well, there’s a data privacy angle to it too…” as if it’s a legitimate justification and not just another facade.
You say that like any of the conservative controlled courts give a single flying fuck about precedent. They will embrace this ruling to foist religious doctrine on people who don’t want it and reject it to prohibit any other material they find unsavory, in the same breath, even. The rule of law has been dead for a long time in the states.
On the plus side pixelfed seems to be popping off. And every time one of the big companies f up, we get a slow trickle of new users. Which is much more sustainable in the long run.
Alright. I’m finally hearing enough about pixelfed to start looking into it. Are there any good resources for jumping in?
I see it’s decentralized. Do I just go to pixelfed.org and create an account, or is this like the fediverse where you have to pick an instance to get started?
It’s part of the Fediverse, so if you’re on a Pixelfed instance you can see other servers running Mastodon, et al. Pick an instance that seems like it feels nice to you.
Yeah it can be that easy. Pixelfed.social is the big one.
Or you can go with one of the others to share the load.
I personally spun my own instance up just to try it out a couple of days ago. It’s neart and very perforant.
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I mean, if TikTok US were more like TikTok China, with emphasis on educational content, there would never have been a problem.
Have you ever thought about why international TikTok is the way it is?
The userbase and lack of content curation/moderation has everything to do with that. The Chinese version gets a whallop of censorship as well, but yeah, their motivation to help other countries educate the young or avoid brain-rot is well in the negatives.
Don’t give a shit
He said to the empty room absolutely devoid of anyone who asked or wants to know what he cares about.
“… reports Chinese state propaganda branch, through western media …” 🙄
There is already a thread here: https://beehaw.org/post/18010336
sorry, I probably should have checked, I have no objection to mods deleting this thread if this violates the rules here
No big deal, you’re good.
I am not a mod, but I guess this happens sometimes. No stress I would say.
Good.
