• octopus_ink@lemmy.mlOP
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    18 hours ago

    If Trump voters could be convinced they wouldn’t have voted trump, so this doesn’t change my calculus.

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      17 hours ago

      If Trump voters could be convinced

      Are you sure you’re actually in favor of democracy, if you have such a misanthropic worldview?

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        17 hours ago

        I have so far seen zero evidence that anything Trump does will convince his voters that he’s the evil shitstain he is, so what I’m not in favor of is the futility of trying to convince anyone, when 8 years of reality and headlines have failed to do the same. I have magas in my family and they will perform literally any gymnastics necessary to absolve Trump of guilt for anything he’s done.

        So yeah, if basing my opinions off of the evidence I’m surrounded by daily makes me misanthropic, then sure, you can call me that if it makes you feel happy.

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        17 hours ago

        Are you sure you’re actually in favor of democracy, if you have such a misanthropic worldview?

        Democracy, as the saying goes, is the worst system of government ever devised - except for all the others.

        People are stupid, in every fucking system.

        The difference is, in a democracy, you have to (theoretically, and depending on the health of the democratic system) get a massive percentage of very stupid or very malicious people to make stupid decisions on behalf of the polity, whereas in narrower forms of government, you only need a small percentage of very stupid or very malicious people who are well-placed.

        Democracy is a safeguard, not an aegis, not a panacea. All systems of government are ultimately only as good as the people who comprise them; and while I’d sooner trust “The entire adult population” over “A self-selected cabal”, that does not mean the former will always make good, moral, sensible, or even self-interested decisions.