• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
          813·
          9 个月前

          The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can’t do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.

          • trailing9@lemmy.ml
            21·
            9 个月前

            Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
              710·
              9 个月前

              The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don’t bother investing in coops. You’ve obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.

              • trailing9@lemmy.ml
                1·
                9 个月前

                No I haven’t.

                But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.

                Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
                  610·
                  9 个月前

                  I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don’t issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.

        • DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee
          31·
          9 个月前

          Plenty if you study history and anthropology. How do you think humans lived for millenia before the invention of currency? You do realize thousands of years separate that from advent of trade and long after we settled down to form permanent communities?

          • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.idEnglish
            21·
            9 个月前

            Nonsense. There is no returning to small-scale egalitarian societies. Large-scale societies are a trap; once you embrace them, you can never go back apart from in extreme isolation. Spend even 5 minutes thinking seriously about it and you will see why it’s a pipe dream.

            • DocCrankenstein@lemm.ee
              4·
              9 个月前

              You think there is no authority in anarchist government? Have you ever read about horizontal-democracies?

              Anarchist just means “against coercive authorities” namely “centralized and hierarchical governance”

              You realize the fediverse that creates lemmy is an anarchist structure right?

              • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
                21·
                9 个月前

                Generally anarchism does reject the idea of authority wholesale whilst also having no historical basis for it. Those societies were clearly in a very different place. I suggest you look into dialects as they will provide comprehensive explanations as to authority and its foundations (and why there are different conditions then than now) especially seeing as they fully had “coercive” authority. Now as to what non-coercive authority is, I don’t think even the anarchists have cracked that one

    • SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works
      51·
      9 个月前

      Lmao we’re still as capitalist as ever. Americans have a skewed sense of what capitalism implies due to your super-duper-mega-unregulated-corporation-shareholder-moneymaker3000 type of ultra capitalism

      • MasterNerd@lemm.ee
        9·
        9 个月前

        People who downvoted you clearly aren’t paying attention to what’s happening in Italy and Germany to a lesser extent

        • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
          5·
          9 个月前

          Italy, Poland, Ukraine, Estonia, Hungary and Turkey all have severe issues with fascism right now

          • masquenox@lemmy.ml
            61·
            9 个月前

            all have severe issues with fascism right now

            It’s not an issue… fascism is a feature of classical liberal nation states - not a flaw.

              • masquenox@lemmy.ml
                3·
                9 个月前

                Really? Tell that to all the “liberal” regimes that enabled fascists when said liberals couldn’t keep working-class revolt in check… Weimar Germany literally did that to crush the “Spartacist” revolt after WW1.

                There’s a saying amongst leftists - you can’t have a harvest of fascism without liberals loosening the ground for it first. Fascism is not some “aberration” of the classical liberal nation state and it never was.

  • Mubelotix@jlai.lu
    58·
    9 个月前

    Deflation would actually make capitalism somewhat ok. It would stop people from buying useless shit and automatically reward the poor who can save a little but don’t know how to invest. That’s why I Bitcoin