I’m confused as to why people are mentioning Havertz. They’re completely different players, why would anyone expect Havertz to be doing what Palmer has been doing (for three months)?
When he came to Chelsea that was the expectation. Though he was never that type of a player, it is hard to tell what kind of a player he is at all to be honest. A second striker is the best shout.
When Havertz played in a role that wasn’t false 9 at Chelsea (which despite popular opinion he actually did quite a lot) he was expected to play a very similar role that Palmer has been doing so far. They’re really not that far apart as players and the comparisons are valid.
Obviously, but to say its a pointless comparison is incredibly basic. There’s lots of overlap in what a player is asked to do for one team or manager and another even if their roles or their position in the team may be slightly different. Progressing the ball for Chelsea isn’t fundamentally different to progressing the ball for Arsenal to the point comaprison can’t be made.
He wasn’t only used at false 9 at Chelsea though, something some Arsenal fans seem to constantly ignore. He was given plenty of time in a range of positions. Like you surely can’t think he was only seeing game time as false 9 when Lukaku was there or Werner was playing at striker? He was used in a 3 man midfield a number of times by both Lampard and Tuchel.
We saw plenty of Kai Havertz across the pitch. False 9 is the role where he got vaguely close to being useful at combined with the circumstances around the role with Lukaku leaving etc.
Palmer and Havertz are different players but the idea there aren’t overlaps in their roles for Chelsea is just wildly naive.
I’m confused as to why people are mentioning Havertz. They’re completely different players, why would anyone expect Havertz to be doing what Palmer has been doing (for three months)?
When he came to Chelsea that was the expectation. Though he was never that type of a player, it is hard to tell what kind of a player he is at all to be honest. A second striker is the best shout.
When Havertz played in a role that wasn’t false 9 at Chelsea (which despite popular opinion he actually did quite a lot) he was expected to play a very similar role that Palmer has been doing so far. They’re really not that far apart as players and the comparisons are valid.
How did Mane play at Southampton and how did he play under Jurgen Klopp?
You’re comparing Apples to oranges. Its completely different squad and manager than the team Havertz played in. It’s a pointless comparison.
Obviously, but to say its a pointless comparison is incredibly basic. There’s lots of overlap in what a player is asked to do for one team or manager and another even if their roles or their position in the team may be slightly different. Progressing the ball for Chelsea isn’t fundamentally different to progressing the ball for Arsenal to the point comaprison can’t be made.
He was never used correctly at Chelsea.
I mentioned in my other comment, he’s an 8, with some 10 leanings.
He’s absolutely not a false 9, hence his ‘failure’ at Chelsea. They were playing him out of position / role.
He wasn’t only used at false 9 at Chelsea though, something some Arsenal fans seem to constantly ignore. He was given plenty of time in a range of positions. Like you surely can’t think he was only seeing game time as false 9 when Lukaku was there or Werner was playing at striker? He was used in a 3 man midfield a number of times by both Lampard and Tuchel.
We saw plenty of Kai Havertz across the pitch. False 9 is the role where he got vaguely close to being useful at combined with the circumstances around the role with Lukaku leaving etc.
Palmer and Havertz are different players but the idea there aren’t overlaps in their roles for Chelsea is just wildly naive.