On match of the day the commentator genuinly said “whether its a penalty or not the game is being ruined”

Absolutely fucking insane thing to say and allow to be broadcast.

He wasn’t only used at false 9 at Chelsea though, something some Arsenal fans seem to constantly ignore. He was given plenty of time in a range of positions. Like you surely can’t think he was only seeing game time as false 9 when Lukaku was there or Werner was playing at striker? He was used in a 3 man midfield a number of times by both Lampard and Tuchel.

We saw plenty of Kai Havertz across the pitch. False 9 is the role where he got vaguely close to being useful at combined with the circumstances around the role with Lukaku leaving etc.

Palmer and Havertz are different players but the idea there aren’t overlaps in their roles for Chelsea is just wildly naive.

Obviously, but to say its a pointless comparison is incredibly basic. There’s lots of overlap in what a player is asked to do for one team or manager and another even if their roles or their position in the team may be slightly different. Progressing the ball for Chelsea isn’t fundamentally different to progressing the ball for Arsenal to the point comaprison can’t be made.

As one of the replies in the Gunners thread says, “matches the eye test”. And its pretty much what we saw at Chelsea when he was used outside of being up front as well, seems to be struggling a bit more now though when I watch him.

When Havertz played in a role that wasn’t false 9 at Chelsea (which despite popular opinion he actually did quite a lot) he was expected to play a very similar role that Palmer has been doing so far. They’re really not that far apart as players and the comparisons are valid.

Nothing that are of the equivalent that Emery has won. There’s loads of B level league managers with big trophy cabinets, great and they’ve done well for their level but they aren’t of the same value.