Yeah yeah this won’t age well when it comes to City and Chelsea
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Accused being the word
The charges hanging over Manchester City are bringing the whole Premier League competition into disrepute. Each game they and each trophy they win feels unearned and false until the charges are resolved and we know whether they were achieved fairly or not, and if not, what punishment is deemed appropriate for cheating. Right now there is a stench about the whole thing. And given it looks odds on that Man City’s likely fraudulently assembled squad is about to come out on top yet again, the PL would be wise to act before yet another lap of dishonour takes place.
They won’t get punished, they value the “best league in the world” branding too much. No way they’ll admit the team that’s dominating it is doing it by cheating
If that were remotely true, then they don’t charge city in the first place.
It’ll still be the best league in the world without City
They can’t claim to be the best league in the world if they admit City have been cheating, it’s embarrassing.
It is, but then la liga is the only league that has a claim and they’re also in a huge mess right now. Italian league is improving a lot, but as of recently, it’s heights have yet to be close to the heights of the other top leagues. And the French and Bundesliga are on a decade straight of a single winner so nobody cares. Even during City’s dominance we’ve still had Liverpool win the league, Chelsea and Liverpool win the UCL.
If they don’t , then the league is meaningless . City and Chelsea must pay the price
OK then honour that statement and go hard on other teams there so eager to punish us over 20 million due to numerous reasons but nothing for others.
This is just an opinion article not a statement by the PL.
Didn’t Everton cooperate with the prem as well? Like a 10 point deduction for being over 20 mil seems like a lot
This is like when a teacher punishes a kid for being honest but can’t be bothered to punish the kid that’s lying because it’d require effort
It’s not for 20 million its for 125 million. Clubs are required to disclose losses of more than 15 million. The next threshold (the max threshold) is 105 million in losses over 3 years. Everton had 125 million in losses (about). Over the 105 limit you are subject to punishment. I agree it’s harsh but it’s a rule. Now it’s about making that rule consistent and holding the Chelsea’s and Man city’s to that same standard.
Yes pretty much since they started the investigation.
The PL just don’t want an independent regulator. FFP is a joke.
They’re doing us for stuff in years before it was even implemented in 2011. But we’ll get done and made an example of. Stopped cooperating after the Der Spiegel article kicked off their investigation (30 charges for that btw).
But we have a small support, it’s a completely PL operated “court” and everyone in the country is chomping at the bit to see us heavily punished. They’re charging us with things the CAS already cleared us for too lol. We’re going down lmao. Shit happens.
You(not you, you) can reply rabidly about us all you like, I won’t be reading or engaging. Sick of reading the exact same boring and sometimes unhinged comments lol.
Funny thing is Everton fans support more FFP punishments which are designed to keep teams like Liverpool at the top and this punishment probably means they have won their last title lol.
The key to what’s happening is as you said it, no independent regulator. They want to show they can keep their own house in order. I’m just wondering why. If a regulator came in and looked at the EPL money and practises as well as the clubs, what would it find…?
They discussed it with the PL before and during the breach and were advised it would be a breach, it’s hard to claim unfair.
The 10 points is in line with Sheffield Wednesday’s 12 points for slightly worse offence, which was reduced to 6 on appeal.
So if Everton get 5 point deduction and stay up, the precedent is in tact for City case, and everyone has been warned that future sanctions will be tougher.
All makes sense when you look into it in detail.
To be fair to Everton, this points deduction already doesn’t really pose much of a threat given the gulf in quality between Prem teams and Championship promotion teams. I can see this been appealed and reduced to 6 pts or less.
The big risk is they’re financially stuffed already. Going down to the championship could cause a domino effect resulting in them doing a Portsmouth.
As a Liverpool fan I hope you’re right and that it’s reduced on appeal.
Them being sunk by FFP due to a negligent owner on top of circumstances mostly out of their control would be shit for the league and shit for the city.
My guess is they are coming down hard on all the old breaches they 100% knew about but let slide because so Man City don’t have an precedents to point at and claim they are being targeted whilst others are being given leniency
“City beat uefa charges with their army of lawyers”
Erm no they didn’t, they went to CAS the highest sporting court in the land and entirely independent, they and they alone ruled on the charges, clearing city of everything bar failure to co-operate.
The Telegraph writer here doesn’t seem to have followed through his thought process to its natural conclusion.
Without wishing to go into the specifics of Everton or Man City or Chelsea and without wishing to discuss the ‘fairness’ of P&S rules it seems to me we have a system where:
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The financial gains of sporting success, through TV money and Champions League qualification (and success), massively outweigh in both terms of size and speed, the possible gains of sustainable commercial off-field success; and
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P&S is set up to reward a team’s commercial success and the ability to trade players at higher value - a process where the rewards are far more long-term (if at all possible for most teams).
So we have a situation that actually rewards gambling on sporting success as if the gamble pays off the rewards are huge and immediate. For teams like Man City and Chelsea who can fund the gamble with some ease it makes perfect sense for them to take that gamble and the nature of their, and now Newcastle’s, commercial ownership structure means that they will attempt to bend the rules while waiting for that gamble to pay-off.
Indeed, for teams that can afford the gamble the financial and sporting risk is negligible. For a team like, Brighton, for e.g. the sporting risk is far greater.
In short: theres way too much money sloshing around the top of English football.
The system only encouraged risk taking as long as there was no tangible punishment for failing to comply.
Chelsea have been spending money they don’t have and can’t sustain, almost certainly because they thought they’d just take the punishment on the chin. The Premier League has rightly taken a tough stance with Everton, who were given plenty of time and opportunity to become compliant, to show that there is a tangible punishment.
The 10 point deduction sets a precedent, it establishes that you can’t just game the system and take a token fine on the chin.
Where the prize for success is so large and the alternative path to success so impossible to achieve, the potential benefit will always outweigh the punishment of getting it wrong. It will also encourage increasingly complex ways of getting around the regulation by those who have the means to do so.
It’s something all regulators don’t seem to understand well, including the Premier League.
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Until it happens to a top 6 club we’ll believe it when we see it
Suppose it’s fair, as long as all the leagues do the same, which they won’t, Real Madrid & Barcelona have been in the past government backed all sorts of dodging us going on, but is a state of national pride having a strong leave in Spain.
PSG in the desperate attempt to win the Champions League, do you thin They haven’t broken FFF rules, most clubs & big teams in Europe have been doing it for years?
So why is the English Premier League going to damage its worldwide reputation as being the best league in the world, do you think La Liga would relegate Real Madrid? No it’s madness.
So…city to national league north then?
Even that’s too good for them. I say they go to the Premier League—the Northern Premier League.
Send them to Ekstrala
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Would a better punishment be to reduce the number of registered players for a period of time? By reducing to 25 to 22, it would force clubs to use academies and young players. There’s always the option to manage it more proactively like La Liga but sure that’s not perfect either. The points deduction just seems to punish fans, players and managers, who likely didn’t contribute much to the breach of rules.
It kind of makes a weird sort of sense. Everton got in trouble for spending—perhaps only having 22 listed players would help their budgetary troubles.
It always seemed kind of strange to me to fine someone because they don’t have enough money.
No. That’s stupid. What one party did won’t increase or lower another party’s chances of having committed a different crime.
You guys lack common sense. No one in this subreddit is qualified to determine if a club is innocent or guilty.
I am, because I have common sense. Anyone who thinks city’s revenue is legit is either deeply misinformed or knows next to nothing about European football
Then why waste time on the internet man, just go to court with your common sense? You’ll probably earn big money with your skills in football law lol
Starting point is to impose immediate sanctions on clubs refusing to co-operate fully with investigations.
You want to be part of the league, then abide by the rules and be prepared to hand over everything and prove that you have.
If you don’t, then piss off to another league
“If you don’t, then piss off to another league.”
There’s six of them you won’t have to ask twice.
Found the next Stalin…
They refused to co-operate as they didnt feel they were getting a fair hearing, they did exactly the same with uefa and guess what, when given a fair unbiased ruling by CAS, they were cleared and therefore completely justified in their reasonijg fir not co-operating.
With the threat of an independent regulator looming over the premier league its clear to everybody and their dog what their intentions are with the city, chelsea and everton charges.
There seems to be very little discussion about what the P&S rules are even officially meant to achieve.
If there’s going to be any regulation about spending, there seem to be broadly two sensible options.
- Protection of a club’s finances - limiting allowable debts based on what the clubs and owner can afford
- Levelling the playing field - an NFL-style salary cap
The current rules are clearly not intended to do either.
Everton/Moshiri could presumably afford these losses. If allowed, he could just choose to put more money into the club to cover them. And enforcing the rules is far more likely to push them off a financial cliff.
And it’s clearly does nothing to help with levelling the playing field. Even ignoring their own dodgy dealings, the big clubs massively outspend clubs like Everton simply because their football revenues are vastly bigger, and will continue to get bigger as long as they’re able to outspend everyone.
It’s fairly obvious that this is the real point of P&S - to stop anyone new ever challenging the existing status quo.
But what’s the official justification that’s used for it? And why do the rest of the Prem go along with it?