Seeing lots of debates on Twitter at the moment about how the sport has fallen off when players such as Saka as now called world class compared to what we used to define as that. (Bale, Robben etc). It got me thinking about why this is the case. Is it due to nostalgia goggles making us look at legend players more favourably? Has the bracket for being ‘World Class’ simply gone down so it does encompass more players? Or is there an actual decrease in the quality of footballers in the current game?

Interested in people’s thoughts here 😀

  • darthrevan22@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    OP is just a Spurs fan who wanted to get a random shot in at Saka lol.

    Like others have said, I’d argue the quality is substantially higher due to a bunch of factors listed in this thread, and the gap between elite and very good players is much smaller than it used to be.

  • aaron2933@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    I would just say it has less flair if anything (and if that’s even the right word to use)

    Hardly see players doing crazy skills, dribbles, etc nowadays

  • AlwaysNipping@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Sometimes it’s tough to compare when the rules have changed a good bit, the tolerance for certain styles of play and of course the quality/corruption of PGMOL. The quality of players seems definitely higher though overall and it’s exciting to see.

  • GLFan52@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    It’s definitely gone up. The difference is we don’t have the same gap between the worst and best players in the Premier League. There are a lot more good players today than there were in the past, so we have a harder time saying certain guys are so clearly above everyone else. Still happens of course, but still.

    Nostalgia definitely plays a part as well. I remember playing games on my PS3 when I was a kid and thinking of how good the graphics were. Then, when I play the same games today, it’s clear that they’re a product of their time, and not even close to the same level of graphical fidelity we have today.

    The younger and less knowledgeable we are of the game, the less likely we are to notice the flaws in what we see happen on the pitch, erasing the negatives and amplifying the positives in our memory.

  • Skippymabob@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    This is what happens when your peers get old, people you trust with “good takes” start getting romantic about the past

  • Jip_Jaap_Stam@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    It’s funny how you talk about Bale and Robben as if they’re historical figures like John Charles and Johan Cruyff.

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    10 months ago

    I think overall quality has gone up, and as a result we see less shine out stars which has made it less entertaining in some ways. Players like Ronaldinho, CR7, Henry etc with real flair will be told to minimise flair to aid the teams overall function. Previously these individual superstars would be given more free reign to show off what they can do

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    10 months ago

    I think overall quality has gone up, and as a result we see less shine out stars which has made it less entertaining in some ways. Players like Ronaldinho, CR7, Henry etc with real flair will be told to minimise flair to aid the teams overall function. Previously these individual superstars would be given more free reign to show off what they can do

  • Big_Department_9221@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    Athleticism-improved
    Tactical awareness-improved

    Individual skill - gone down.

    Reason: Managers are scrutinised more than ever where the Roman Abrahimovich or Real Madrid model of firing managers are followed by even mid-level clubs. This leads to managers having to take conservative approach of avoiding a loss first than going for the win-meaning more players are discouraged from being individualistic and getting in line with the team tactics, hence lesser exciting players and lesser skilled players. Essentially the effect of corporate profit and too much statistical analysis. The same thing happens in the NBA with everyone being a 3-point merchant because that is the best thing to do to get points but brings the excitement down.

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    10 months ago

    It’s probably the fact that there are more casuals in the scene and they don’t know what real talent is. Anything they can’t do or fathom is possible is considered world class.

  • JustDifferentGravy@alien.topB
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    10 months ago

    The game is simply more athletic, less physical. This means that world class players were gifted on the ball, off the ball, and hard as fuck. Now you only need to be the first two, which means half of each team are of similar ability. So nobody stands out as much to be considered in the same way until you get the rare anomalies - Haaland et al.