• DoX6ConorGallagher@alien.topBEnglish
    2·
    3 years ago

    Chelsea and Everton the “most improved” while both having a generally awful start to the season is a fun indication of how useful xG is.

    • sandbag-1@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      Chelsea finished 12th last season and are 10th now

      Everton finished 17th last season and are 14th now without the deducted points

      The teams have both improved

    • GorillazWelfare@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I’ve always been so apprehensive at how quickly the public adopted it as the end-all-be-all stat. It’s flawed and subjective (the fact different sites have different models). It’s similar to how basketball fans use the TS% to settle debates nowadays.

    • No-Shoe5382@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I think this should be viewed at the end of the season.

      Because every time I’ve watched either Everton or Chelsea they’ve looked much better than they did last season, and typically performances come before results.

      But if you were to ask me the two most improved clubs in terms of performance this season I would say Chelsea and Everton, closely followed by us.

    • LackingSimplicity@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      Chelsea and Everton the “most improved” while both having a generally awful start to the season is a fun indication of how useful xG is.

      Except Everton have been pretty good and are easily the most underrated team in the leauge. I’d argue they were pretty unlucky and were shit aginst Luton which apparently is the only relevant game of the season for judging them on. If anything, their quality on the pitch compared with their xG is a lot more similar than when compared to how many points they’ve gained.

      xG is worthless for you because you couldn’t finish of a virgin who’d been edging for 8 hours.

    • vadapaav@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      United’s vibe is basically ‘what if we tried to press like Tottenham but weren’t very good at it?’ — they force a lot of high turnovers but allow chances at about the same rate as Wolves and Nottingham Forest.

      This line cracked me up LMAO

      • aayu08@alien.topBEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        Spurs lost 2 games back to back when they did not have their starting backline. Imagine the same for United, but for the entire season till now.

  • RefanRes@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    I dont know if many would have predicted Brentford having much higher xg after losing Toney to the ban. Pretty impressive.

    • Triceratops_Juggler@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      I’ve decided that they’re likely the averages and therefore not fake axis lines. Still probably should’ve been labeled but it’s also probably more obvious to someone who isn’t suffering from insomnia

  • kwhicks@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    We are way more controlled this year for sure. Having some injuries/ walking wounded hasn’t helped us.

  • Teantis@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    Interesting to note we’re producing less xG in attack and conceding less xG in defence, despite the general sense that Ange is less pragmatic and more daring than Conte. The eye test, and my own observation, seem to directly disagree with the underlying stats.

    • BoxOfNothing@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      The most surprising thing upon his introduction last season, even though results didn’t go brilliantly, was that our xG shot up massively in the second half of the season. xG conceded also went up a bit I think though. So even more impressive that after he improved xG a lot in the second half of the season, this season is a massive improvement again.

      • PerfectBlueOnDVD@alien.topBEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        Is it even an unpopular opinion to think he keeps them up even with -10 points? They look significantly better than the 3 teams closest to them.

        • BoxOfNothing@alien.topBEnglish
          1·
          3 years ago

          No I think general consensus is we’re 4th most likely to go down still with a bit of a gap between us and the 3 promoted sides. The bookies have us 2/1 to go down and those 3 all odds on. But you never know, if we pick up some injuries and any one of them hit a bit of form doubts could creep back in.

  • qwerty_1965@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    Poor old Everton! All that improvement going to waste. Obviously it should see them avoid the cut easily enough so that points punishment is a complete waste of time.

    • BoxOfNothing@alien.topBEnglish
      1·
      3 years ago

      It’s definitely fucked us massively, but if we survive then I wouldn’t say the improvement was entirely a waste, because if we continued playing like we did last season and got a 10 point deduction, we were definitely going down even with the weaker relegation opponents

      • JediMindTrxcks@alien.topBEnglish
        1·
        3 years ago

        A ten point deduction would have relegated Wolves last year and they finished 13th. Chelsea (12th) would have survived on tie breakers. The relegation battle was a lot tighter last year than it SHOULD be this year-it obviously is relevant that there’s a lot of season left to be played and if any of the newly promoted sides get a good run of form and we have fitness issues, then it will get dicey for us.

        • BoxOfNothing@alien.topBEnglish
          1·
          3 years ago

          Aye, if we get lucky with injuries and/or get coverage in January, despite I imagine being strapped for cash, and we can maintain our PPG we’ll probably be safe. That’d end us on 34 points which might well be enough. And that’s including all the games at the start of the season we lost without half our first team.

  • Fukthisite@alien.topBEnglish
    1·
    3 years ago

    Fair play to Everton, knew they would perform better in Dyches first full season. Just a shame about the points deduction but they will sill stay up imo.