When I first joined Reddit I really enjoyed the conversations I had with other people. I don’t really care about internet points and I always just sought out people whose opinions are different than my own to get diverse perspectives. In this way, subreddits centered around a particular point of view would guarantee me a conversation that was engaging and perhaps an opportunity to learn something.
But lately I noticed that moderators on that site have been using their bans to simply silence dissenting opinions and control the narrative and looking through moderator code of conduct it seems that the practice is not discouraged at all.
The first ban I ever received on that site was just a few months ago when I wrote just two sentences in response to someone. My post was not offensive in any way and I was writing in good faith. This was also the first time I ever posted on that subreddit. The moderator who permanently banned me claimed I was just to stupid to be allowed to continue posting in their community.
I am certainly capable of profound stupidity but just not the type one could devise in just a few sentences so I suspect that moderator was not being genuine with me.
Since then I have received two more permanent bans for posts which again were made in good faith and not racist, sexist, or displaying any obvious reason to take such a drastic action. Never a warning that I was violating the rules or a even a temporary ban. When I ask the moderator why, I get “muted”. A permanent ban should be for obvious trolling, spammers or people who repeatedly violate the subreddit rules. Not for just expressing a different opinion.
I feel like a certain breed of moderator has hijacked most of the subreddits I would have once found interesting to participate in. They come with a mandate to advance a specific agenda and it seems like Reddit’s fate has to become just like every other social media website that groups people by their beliefs while re-enforcing and radicalizing them.
Oh and the first moderator that banned me, he is active on the fediverse as well and they have re-created their community on kbin. So I suspect these types of people will eventually control the communities here as well.
I think that the lemmy/kbin fediverse communities are honestly more of a bubble than Reddit is. To some extent Reddit has gone mainstream (critical mass) and so yes you get some bubbles from moderation but the averages for up/down votes probably more accurately (than fediverse anyway) reflect societies opinions. fediverse suffers from bubbles in a different way where it hasn’t reached critical mass and from what I can tell, marginalized groups have flocked to the fediverse more quickly than most and thus have outsized representation her. And that is reflected in the posts that make the front page on instances. At least on kbin judging from the posts that make front page one might assume half of the people out there are autistic, adhd, lgbtq+, Star Trek fans. Unless my understanding of current demographics is way off, those groups make up a much smaller sample of the overall population. Not saying this is a problem but from someone that doesn’t really fall into any marginalized groups, the opinions upvoted and popular on this site often do not align with what the general population (at least in the USA) tends to think and, perhaps unfortunately, also vote for.
Reddit has a huge number of bots and shills who astroturf it like crazy.
I used to hunt bots there as a hobby. It was scary how many there were even back then, and that’s before reddit destroyed the third party mod tools and Bot Defense shut down.
Ah I guess I don’t have context into that side of Reddit but given reddits scale, is a huge number of bots 1% of traffic/posts? 5%, 25%? How bad was it from your experience?
I would have put it at around 5% back then. In some subs (advice subs like AITA and meme subs) it was not uncommon to see two or three bots talking to each other and being upvoted.
Their methods were pretty crude back then so the combination of AI and lack of moderation is probably making it much worse now. In the past couple of years bots have accounted for almost half of all web traffic.
Here’s an interesting example of the kind of work that was being done before reddit put a stop to it.
Half? That’s way more than I thought. I can see for posting to the same account across multiple social medias being a lot of that, I hope?
From memory about 25% of all traffic is bad bots (malware etc) and the other half is benign if sometimes a bit spammy.
I stopped engaging on the site after the API changes. I made a decent amount of OC on various subreddits. I believe a lot of people did the same. Now the front page is litttered with only fans ads and celebrity gossip.
I still lurk on my subscribed subreddits on the PC with the right plugins to make Reddit bearable.
A wake-up call was when someone on a dedicated subreddit said that left side politics have never hurt anyone, and I told them they would be stoked to hear about the Soviet or Venezuela, and received a permanent ban for it. Reddit is now a propaganda tool with users engaging in hyper normalisation the narrative. Anyone questioning the emperors new clothes is expelled.
Yeah the quality of content has definitely degraded since the API changes and these insular hive minded communities have only become more so, probably because those are the type of people that stayed. And Lemmy just isn’t quite there in terms of catering to niche topics that was keeping me on reddit.
The great thing about Lemmy is that you can make your own instance with your own moderation policies if you don’t like how things are done elsewhere.
*gets banned
Oh yeah? Well I’m gonna make my own reddit, with blackjack, a-and hookers, you know what? Forget the reddit!
Another huge strength is that modding is transparent and everyone can see exactly which mod banned or deleted what.
deleted by creator
I’m not sure I got any bans that weren’t for posting in an unapproved sub.
What’s important about lemmy is that it’s an iteration on a specific type of social media, just like mastodon is an iteration. They’re an attempt to improve some flaws and I think it’s a move in the right direction, but they won’t be the end. I agree moderation is going to be a petty shit show, and I’m not sure defederation is enough to fix that. We’ll see.
Lemmy does this, too. Especially happens if you’re not pro-Palestinian.
