• trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works
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    25 days ago

    They had planned this (in cooperation with Nazi Germany) quite some time before, and even put it in writing.

    The secret accords of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact haven’t been much of a secret for quite a long time, I wonder if you just missed that well known fact, or are omitting it on purpose.

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      25 days ago

      No, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was not an ‘alliance’

      The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was an non-aggression agreement signed between the USSR & Germany in late August 1939. (Alot of countries signed various pacts with nazi germany beforehand).

      This agreement was a direct result of the failure to create ‘collective security’ in Europe The USSR had tried this and failed due to the irrational anti-communism of Poland & the unwillingness of the UK & France to make this a reality

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        24 days ago

        A non aggression pact with secret accords that divided up Eastern Europe into spheres of influence for land grabs, as you conveniently omit once more.

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          24 days ago

          Again it happened AFTER the west rejected proposal of soviets to ally against nazis. Any newly formed country dont want war, ideology is secondary. Hitler was vehemently anti communist and both hitler and stalin hated each other.

          There is evidence that the Spheres of Influence did not refer to any partition or invasion, according to General Franz Halder’s diaries. He says that Hitler was considering independence for Western Ukraine, although the USSR’s ‘spheres of influence’ fell in Western Ukraine.

          So, this provides evidence that the Secret Protocol was not about ‘invading’ nor ‘annexing’ anyone, in this case, Poland. It also provides evidence that Hitler was prepared to negotiate over Western Ukraine with the Poles, and not the USSR. In further entries, Halder repeats that the Germans are discussing the formation of an independent Western Ukraine Additionally, Halder suggests that the USSR expected a negotiated settlement would leave a ‘rump’ Poland.

          This provides substantial evidence that the ‘Spheres of Influence’ was not abut the ‘invasion’ nor ‘annexation’ of any territory. The secret protocols merely mean that Germany is not allowed to extend itself beyond a certain LINE in Poland.

          Poland had invaded soviet ally czechoslovakia prior to that and no one bats an eye on it. Soviets entered poland after polish govt had fled i.e. they entered poland when nothing like poland existed.

          Not to forget britain was planning to invade soviet union after WW2 because soviets had made the greatest sacrifices and were weakened so Churchill wanted to destroy communism once and for all.