GAZA CITY, GAZA—Following conflicting accounts of a horrific attack on a Gaza hospital, officials from the Israeli Defense Forces released a new statement Wednesday that claimed it was you, the reader of this very article, who committed the act of terror.

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    Someone’s heated that everyone knows their favorite genocidal ethnostate did the thing they said they would do.

    It’s the Onion, bro. It’s satire. Why you so mad?

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      The evidence is pretty overwhelming at this point that it was not an Israeli airstrike, and was most likely a failed missile from Hamas. I say this as someone who considers both Hamas and the current right wing government of Israel to be terrorist organizations.

      There have been plenty of actual crimes committed by Israel in this war and many more in the years leading up to it. It just doesn’t look like this is one of them.

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        If you actually buy the US-Isreali line on this, I simply don’t know what to tell you. The Isreali defence minister called Palestinians animals, said that they shouldn’t distinguish between Hamas and any other Palestinian, and have spent the last 2 weeks indiscrimiately bombing the strip, airstriking ambulances, bombing crossings, double and triple-tapping apartment buildings, striking aid convoys, bombing critical infrastructure, displacing a million people, and bombing captive Isrealis.

        Meanwhile, this “It was actually a Hamas rocket that blew up” line has been played and debunked a thousand other times in a thousand other Isreali atrocities, and I will bet you any amount of money that it turns out it was them.

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          Read my comment again. I’m no Israeli apologist and yeah, they have committed many war crimes and atrocities. That doesn’t automatically mean that they did this. If Israel were to shot a missile at the hospital, they would hit the hospital, not the parking lot. If an Israeli missile hit the parking lot, the clay tiles on the hospital roof wouldn’t be intact. Based on Israeli drone footage that matches up with Palestinian photographs, this explosion was almost certainly not an Israeli missile.

          Just assuming the worst of Israel in every case does not make you an effective critic of Israel. It just feeds the Israeli narrative that their critics are just biased by antisemitism. There is no shortage of confirmed atrocities to blame them for, including the settlements that keep inflaming this conflict.

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            Israel was photographed loading dumb bombs on their jets the day before this. They are running low on guided options after using so many so fast.

            Learn about how airbusrst has different effects than a standard ground burst. Then ask yourself why you wish to believe the stronger military force didn’t cause a huge explosion, when the weaker military force has no known capabilities to make such an explosion.

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          An R160. You seem to imply that the explosion was particularly devastating, but it really wasn’t - at least not in comparison to what Israel is using. The clay tile roof of the hospital next to the parking lot that got hit was intact. A JDAM shockwave would almost certainly have shattered those tiles.

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            lmao an R160 managed to kill 500 people when one has literally never managed to even kill 10 before? Come on. You’re not even subjecting these claims to basic common sense.

            PS: It was likely an antipersonnel munition, and it burst in the air; the tiles are irrelevant, you credulous fool.

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              What 500 people? That is entirely unconfirmed, you incredulous fool.

              You act like I’m an Israeli apologist, and I’m not. Fuck Israel. They are ultimately at fault for creating and infling this conflict. If anything, I side with the Palestinians, though not Hamas. Still, I’m going to judge the mechanics of particular incidents on their own merits.

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                No one who believes the (absurd and obviously false, in this case) lies of genocidal monsters is on the side of the Palestinians, full stop, especially if you think it’s wrong for Hamas to use violence against the oppressors.

                PS: I love how you’re more ready to be skeptical of Palestinians claims about number of deaths than you are of Israeli claims of innocence. thonk

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                  You can’t trust PR being put out by either side in a conflict. My opinions are based entirely on what experts have to say based on evidence that has been confirmed by both Israel and Palestinians.

                  I posted my opinion of this conflict as soon as it started. Check my history if you think I’m pretending for credibility purposes. Israel is an oppressor, and both sides are terrorists, targeting and killing civilians. I’ll even say that if Israel had a strategic or tactical reason to bomb the hospital that they wouldn’t even hesitate. It’s well within their character to do so. My assumption going in was that they probably did it, but I’m now almost entirely convinced that they didn’t.

                  On the topic of Genocide, it is explicitly the goal of Hamas (not the Palestinian people generally) to commit genocide against Israel. That’s not enough to blame them for every attack on Israel.