The French Revolution was decades of bloodshed which nearly fell into autocracy again, there are countless violent revolutions which have failed in the same vein.
The US Civil War was about the Confederate states attempting to leave the union in order to own black people as slaves.
First of all, thats not what fucking progress looks like. Secondly, the outcome was the violence of the southern state failing to have any lastinf effect towards their ideals.
Lol, you think the French Constitution magically drafted itself? That the guillotine got up and walked over to start writing the new rules like a fucked uo Frosty the snowman?
The French aristocracy had no need for a new constitution until they started getting slaughtered wholesale. Without the guillotine, there was no pressing need for “the new rules”. Quite the contrary, “the new rules” were overtly harmful to their aristocratic lifestyle. They accepted “the new rules” because the alternative was worse.
If you really try to look. I mean really really put all your mental capacity to work, you can see that there was three. Yes. Three other examples in the list.
The most clever people among us also notices how they all were from different sides of the world and from different cultures.
Oh my. Could it be?! Could it be that, you only see what you want to see and compartmentalize any opinion that differ from your view to nice and cozy, easy to digest boxes? Have you ever tought that you might do that on other parts of your life too?
The United Mine Workers of America finally ran out of money, and called off the strike on December 10, 1914. In the end, the strikers’ demands were not met, the union did not obtain recognition, and many striking workers were replaced. 408 strikers were arrested, 332 of whom were indicted for murder.
Labor Reforms came from public pressure and legislative action, not 1,200 coalminers killing 20 people and lighting a coal mine on fire, 500 getting arrested, and dissolving their own organization due to lack of funds. The organization literally didn’t exist when the reforms happened.
On the assumption that lobbying, bribing, gerrymandering, institutionele capture, legal capture and the general disfunction of first past the post systems don’t get in the way.
Of all the systems of governance, democracy has always been the one which most respects and enables its peoples and the least likely to devolve into autocracy. There is a reason that France and the USA, for all their flaws, have some of the oldest constitutions still in use on earth, for example.
Germany voted in the guy with the famous mustache and Russia is on paper democratic too. Not to mention several “democratic” countries in Africa. Just having it as a system is not enough.
The rich won’t stop killing us if we ask them nicely. All progress has involved threatening the lives or property of the powerful.
No progress has involved that. Ever. All progress has come from legislative reform.
the french revolution was famously not about porcefully taking power from those in power
The French Revolution was decades of bloodshed which nearly fell into autocracy again, there are countless violent revolutions which have failed in the same vein.
Civil War?
The US Civil War? TF?
The US Civil War was about the Confederate states attempting to leave the union in order to own black people as slaves.
First of all, thats not what fucking progress looks like. Secondly, the outcome was the violence of the southern state failing to have any lastinf effect towards their ideals.
More progress came from the blade of a guillotine than has ever come from legislative reform.
Lol, you think the French Constitution magically drafted itself? That the guillotine got up and walked over to start writing the new rules like a fucked uo Frosty the snowman?
The French aristocracy had no need for a new constitution until they started getting slaughtered wholesale. Without the guillotine, there was no pressing need for “the new rules”. Quite the contrary, “the new rules” were overtly harmful to their aristocratic lifestyle. They accepted “the new rules” because the alternative was worse.
This bro literally thinks the French Aristocracy were coerced into writing their constitution…
I have no words.
Hmm.
French revolution started because bread was expensive.
The Arab spring started because people got mad how one market stall keepper got treated.
Russian revolution if 1905 started when one factory was closed.
Boston tea party happened because of taxation.
Legistlations came months or even years after any of these revolutions
It’s really telling that you think the rise of the USSR was a fitting example on your list, you Tankie scum.
Haha you funny angry man.
If you really try to look. I mean really really put all your mental capacity to work, you can see that there was three. Yes. Three other examples in the list.
The most clever people among us also notices how they all were from different sides of the world and from different cultures.
Oh my. Could it be?! Could it be that, you only see what you want to see and compartmentalize any opinion that differ from your view to nice and cozy, easy to digest boxes? Have you ever tought that you might do that on other parts of your life too?
Someone has never heard of the Ludlow Massacre, I see.
Obviously neither have you.
Maybe you should keep reading: https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/ludlow-massacre-spurred-new-deal-labor-reforms/
My whole point that you missed entirely is that legislative reform is often the result of some kind of violence happening.
Labor Reforms came from public pressure and legislative action, not 1,200 coalminers killing 20 people and lighting a coal mine on fire, 500 getting arrested, and dissolving their own organization due to lack of funds. The organization literally didn’t exist when the reforms happened.
Ah yes, legislative reform that emerges from nothing but the powerful suddenly deciding to be nicer.
In an autocracy like China that would be true, but in the western world they mostly practice Democracy.
On the assumption that lobbying, bribing, gerrymandering, institutionele capture, legal capture and the general disfunction of first past the post systems don’t get in the way.
Lol, you’re one of those screaming “both sides bad” and rejecting any progress has ever been made.
Things demonstrably get better or worse depending on how people vote, better slowly over time, and therefor it is fact that democracy is working.
You forget that people can democratically vote themselves into an autocracy. This was already described in ancient Greece as anacyclosis.
Of all the systems of governance, democracy has always been the one which most respects and enables its peoples and the least likely to devolve into autocracy. There is a reason that France and the USA, for all their flaws, have some of the oldest constitutions still in use on earth, for example.
Germany voted in the guy with the famous mustache and Russia is on paper democratic too. Not to mention several “democratic” countries in Africa. Just having it as a system is not enough.