You cant exclude arsenal if the debate is for current lmao. Believe me I think arsenal are pish too but if its a debate about “current” big teams you have to include the current seasons

Talking absolute shite lol. Theres only a big 4. City, Liverpool and Arsenal the inly clubs that can actually compete for trophies. I’ll include United just because of their marketing size and ability to still pull elite level players. Spurs and all those other clubs you mentioned have money but do fuck all except over pay for players that at best are good.