So hear me out, the current top 10 clubs in the Premier League should be considered a “big 10”. So the general rule for a club to be considered a part of “big x” they have to be:
- Big club - a big fanbase and history
- Financial strength - ability to spend a lot to buy playera
- Pull factor - playera wanting to join the club just becuse of the club name
- Consistent success
Now there is no doubt why the “big 6” is part of this “big 10”.
Now Aston Villa, Newcastle are big clubs, spend a lot, pull players from big clubs from other leagues and have had consistent good results in last 2 season.
West Ham is a big club, with consistent results (apart from last season). However, they have less pull factor and less financial strength from clubs listed above. But, I believe that their ability is in these categories is still better than bottom 10 clubs so that’s why they should still be considered part of “big 10”.
Brighton is the only highly questionable. They have results and relative financial strength. However, they have almost no pull factor and aren’t a big club. But if their results continue to be good they will start to become a big club and gain a pull factor.
That’s why I believe Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Tottenham, Spurs, United, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Brighton and West Ham are part of “Big 10”. What do you think?
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Nah, Big 6 was already a stretch (really it’s big 5 cuz Spurs haven’t won anything).
agreed
You know nothing of the history of English football if you didn’t already regard Newcastle, Villa, and West Ham as big clubs.
West ham aint a big club
The argument for West Ham is that the have a monopoly of fans from East London, through Essex They undoubtably have a large following and culture about them that all of the U.K. is aware of.
More massive, really.
Stupid statement really, West ham Won a world cup, multiple European trophies and Had Mark noble play for them and Have Bubbles the Bear run down the half way line every match game day. Out of all the clubs listed how many have had that? Yeah didn’t think so…
West ham won a world cup, didn’t know they were their own country.
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Tottenham, Spurs
Fixed it.
This is shite, there’s a difference between big club and well supported and Newcastle are well supported but certainly not a big club. Brighton despite doing well aren’t a big club and neithers spurs, unless winning the 4th place race makes you a big team
you really sneaked spurs in there 😂 I guess arsenal arent that big either considering they finished behind us for 6 years in a row
If it wasn’t for the fact that arsenal do and have actually won things then yeah I would’ve put them in same category. Based on the post being big clubs are teams that consistently win and have historically won big then forest deserves to be over spurs. 1 league cup since 1991 does not make you big, if the cabinet was any more barren it would be a desert.
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What will we do with this knowledge?
Feels like the prem is 3 leagues within itself, in terms of how much money is thrown around and what that brings;
- Elite Prem - top 6 battling for UCL football
- Top Prem - 10 super clubs battling for top 6
- Mid Prem - the mini league of 5 fighting for a spot in big 10
- Prem 5 clubs fighting for 2 spots to stay in league
Did you mean to put 2 spots or are Burnley just already down.
3 to be fair. You’ll feel divide more than ever I guess, absolutely smash the championship, bring in good additions, but suddenly miles off the rest of the league. After just 1 season of absence from top flight
I’d also add a contender group. Like yeah you got your top 6 fighting for a ucl spot but of those 6 only 2 or 3 usually have a legit shot at actually winning the league when spring rolls around.
There are 2 types of clubs in this world, the ones who wins and the ones who eat shit. No need for the big ten.
Currently there is no big 6, only the big 1.
Man City, sucks to say it but that’s how it’s been for the last few seasons
Just look at the revenue and value of sponsorships of the clubs and you will understand why people make the determination.
West Ham are, I think, the closest in revenue to the “big 6”, but still £100m short of Arsenal. NUFC are closer in sponsorship values, but still £15m a season short of Spurs.
People get distracted by performances and conflate it with the general standing of the club. There is still a huge gap for clubs to bridge.
Just for a Preview this has a bar chart. If you double Burnley’s 22-23 revenue you get $5 mil shy of West Ham, who are still >$100m short of Arsenal and if doubled would still be less than Man City, Liverpool or Man Utd.
Financial supremacy is what really sets the “Big 6” apart from the rest of the league. Their revenue is significantly higher which means they can spend a lot more under FFP. That allows them to keep the majority of their best players/staff and rebound when they go through a rough patch, or spend their way out of trouble, rather than just fading away.
There is a strong argument that having qualified for the Champions League, with other vastly increasing revenue streams and owners with a bottomless pit of money, Newcastle are on track to join them as a 7th financially dominant club.
For Villa, Brighton and West Ham, we are still a long way behind the Big 6 in terms of revenue and therefore spending power. It would take qualifying for the Champions League multiple times and rapid expansion of our global fanbases to close that gap.
It’s weird though because Villa is in a weird middle ground where they spend far more than most non-big 6 teams and have a net spend higher than that of Liverpool and Man City (But that’s also because these clubs have won trophies, improving their net spend).
As well, under Unai Emery, they could easily build back the pre Premier League days of Villa if they win a trophy or two as they have a ton of history, very large fan base, and decent ownership. As a result, Villa, and Newcastle as well, are in weird spots as they are very obviously growing extremely fast.
Yeah this is the hope for us as Villa fans. Spending is not just net transfer fees though, it’s wages as well. Villa still can’t get near any of the big 6 in terms of the wage bill.
If we were to qualify for the Champions League, get the revenue from that, bring in bigger sponsors, get more global fans, that’s when the gap would start to close.
Longevity matters. Southampton, Everton, Leicester we’re once in these position but look where they are now. Leicester were the closest in breaking the “big 6” they have the highest social media following outside of the big 6 due to their recent success. If Villa and Newcastle would have be consistently top 4-6 for it be become anything but a big 6. If they ever finished below 6th then yet no longer get taken seriously.
Top 6 used to be a thing, and it was largely down to the consistency of all 6 being ranked 1st-6th, albeit occasionally in a different order. You could have also considered the economical might of all 6 playing a part.
But now Vila and Newcastle have ambitious, powerful squads, Brighton are making silly money from selling players and West Ham are mainstays in European competition…
It’s baffling how that attitude hasn’t changed yet. Especially when you consider that Chelsea and United rarely know their heads from their arse.
But if it wasn’t, ‘Top 6 vs the rest narrative’, the subreddit ‘Other 14’ would cease to exist.
Let’s call it the big 20 because whoever is in the EPL is big. Everyone knows them. Big 20.
I you didn’t get relegated, you are big. LOL
Let’s call it big 44 then. Because the epl and championship is big. Players got bigggg wages
The big clubs are man u, and Liverpool, followed by arsenal, then the others have not much between them Villa, spurs Everton.Chelsea, man City, West ham, Newcastle, Sunderland, if you make the champions league obviously you have the money then to afford to sustain a high league position the following season so success breeds success.