Yep. I’ve got so many arguments in the backpocket against this crap. I especially love the people who scream about retcons. There wasn’t any. You can argue that Burnham being Spocks sister is technically a retcon by the definition, but no lore was actively changed. Spock just didn’t talk about her. Much like he didn’t talk about his father, his wife or his brother…

YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS. You get what I mean.

These are the same people who would have had a full on stroke at DS9 and Voyager and then a catastrophic meltdown at Enterprise.

There’s a line I like saying a lot because I believe it with every ounce of me.

Star Trek preaches that there is strength in diversity. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Why is that not allowed to apply to the shows themselves?

I assume he’s being paid for this

I genuinely don’t know. Sometimes it does feel like it, other times it just feels like he’s a fan and wants to post about it. But what I can tell you is that I also downvoted damn near every STO post that came across my feed when I was on ST.W too. Downvotes are supposed to be used as a tool to tell what content is supported by the community and that’s what I did with my vote. What I would still do. The communities have so little content outside of those posts and nothing else is encouraged. Hell, I’ve been talking on and off with one of the dudes who designs the ships for STO. His Bsky alone is enough to have some good content for the community but none of that is being posted. It’s just patch notes, event, patch notes, pc event, patch notes, console event…

I have a lot of issues with the show that stem from two issues, one more so than the other. One is from the show itself and another is from some of it’s more toxic fans. It really bothers me when people say “Orville is Real Star Trek” or “True Star Trek” because it’s denying the multitudes that exist within Star Trek. It’s not all the same and each show takes a different tone. There is no “Real Star Trek”. It’s all “Real Star Trek”. When people phrase it like “It’s more like the Trek I love”, that I don’t care about. But quite a few discussions I get into with people who are fans of the Orville tend to drift across the former line. Using it as a cudgell to attack Star Trek instead of using it as what it is, a love story to support Star Trek in a form that they love.

It sort of ruined the show for me. I used to like it but I also thoroughly love the Newer Treks. I felt like I was being forced to pick a side. My other issues with the show are fairly minor over-all.

For the record I’m not saying you’re like that or anything. Just that a lot of times I end up in a conversation about The Orville where it feels like I need to pick between The Orville and anything Kurtzman has made. I pick Star Trek. Everytime.

Oh you’re not wrong. My brain was just slowly shutting down and getting harder and harder to focus.

The complaint about her crying a lot rings especially hollow to me. Always comes across as “Woman (often black woman) is emotional therefore bad” where other male Captains were emotional too. Or ignoring the fact that her whole character was literally built around suppressing every emotion she has, trying to act like a Vulcan when she wasn’t one, and now that emotional turmoil is literally part of the character.

I just get you off of one instance and now you’re already looking for another.

Tsk tsk tsk.

Exactly. There are only really three things that I find outright objectionable when it comes to not liking the new shows.

1. Claiming that it isn’t “Real Star Trek” as if they’re the only arbiter of what Trek is, or that Trek has only ever been one way. It’s Trek. You can not like it but it’s still Real Trek.

2. Dogwhistle bigotry. A lot especially revolves around Stamets as a gay character, Adira as an non-binary character and Grey as a trans character. Not liking their character is fine, maybe disagreeing with how it was handled (granted I thought it was perfect) okay, but there are certain things that people say that are ridiculous.

3. People saying that Alex Kurtzman is worse than Rick Berman. One of those men made new shows people don’t like. The other one made new shows people didn’t like at the time but also did such horrific things as refusing to allow an actress back on the show to play someone new unless her previous character was held prisoner and raped to death. You can say you don’t like Alex’s stuff over Rick. You can say that Rick is a better writer, although I’d heavily disagree. But saying that one is a worse person than the other is batshit insane.

And thanks <3

Whatever you say, kiddo

Well. None of the evidence in the post was about me. It was about every other user and what they’re doing to them. But sure. I’m throwing a tantrum because I was banned from a mediocre, low traffic, low quality instance that relied so heavily on a handful of users to prop it up that when we left it effectively started floating through space, on life-support, with an undetonated photon torpedo stuck its hull in the shape of a petty little admin.

Sure. Whatever you say there buddy <3

Oh I cannot fucking stand The Orville. There are many many reasons I dislike it, which I listed but was kind of off topic. My blood sugar is low as hell and brain loopy.

That being said.

I would have just had a discussion in response to your comment and not fuckin’ removed the comment. It’s an option for discussion. Just shoving your head in the sand and screaming while removing anything critical isn’t helpful to anyone.

I could keep going.

I might.

Value is not going to handle this well. Whatever situation he’s in, he’s angry and bitter at the moment. He’s going to say that this is an attack on him, that I’m going scorched earth and that no one cares. He’s going to try to make this an admin abuse level thing when in reality I’m just posting visible screenshots of their own modlog. He could call my bluff and just… turn the modlog off. But that would also perfectly demonstrate that not only are they being abusive to their users but then they’d also be willing to hide that abuse.

He’s 100% a power tripping bastard and there is soooooooooooooooooo much evidence to document it.

They blocked this community 4 months ago. That post was made 1 month ago.

Either they were not following those guidelines prior or they were just not being clear about their approach.

Moreover, I’m sure that the timing of me calling them out and them blocking the community have absolutely nothing to do with one another.

Yet I still left tons of stuff out and could go on LONGER. I only stopped for my own sanity.

No one else was calling them out so screw it. I will.

Oh hell yeah I’m not the only person who says that

Yeah, that tracks. You were critical of new Star Trek and brought up The Orville as a comparison.

I don’t think people realize how many different admin actions I just completely omitted. I gave up once I realized I was basically at 20,000 characters in the post.

And like… I love Newer Trek. I love Discovery. But just obliterating anything that’s critical of the newer stuff is idiotic.

A whole ass novel detailing constant removals by the admins of Startrek.website

Oh wow.

The level of fragility on their ego is hysterical. I’ve seen so much of it, from years ago to today, and I just can never help but laugh. The ego is catastrophically large for someone who checks notes runs a mediocre lemmy instance.

Edit: Pretty sure I found out why this community was blocked. Me. Because I live rent free in Value Subtracted’s head.

Basically, yeah., but it looks like Piefed makes it even harder. Normally on Lemmy you’d just have a comment in your profile saying “Removed by Moderator”. But if I even go to that post on piefed, I can’t even see that anywhere. Apparently when a moderator removes your comment from Piefed, it just is deleted. Like it never existed.

Here is a direct link to your removed comment on Startrek.website.