If you are talking about tank man i can just show you you can clearly see tiananmen square in the background and the direction the tanks are going and where the guy is pointing.
can’t wait for that one guy from .ml to show up and argue that Tiananmen Square was a peaceful protest and post links claiming that there were no deaths recorded there.
You dont need to make a strawman of what mls believe, you can just quote the wikipedia and ignore the claims by countries that have a reason to fabricate hostile evidence. If you want to go further, look at testimonies by witnesses that corroborate the side opposed to where they currently live.
Its also important to try to understand why the chinese feel the issue is contentious and the various perspectives, as opposed to letting the other side tell you how the chinese feel and why.
IIRC, The chinese government say 200 something died, and presumably they have more information than a wapo reporter, since they can ask the hospitals and witnesses to verify the police and military reports.
Ive read parts of the wikipedia page on it and it says the chinese gov states there were around 20 soldiers killed, but it doesnt mention civilians killed, plus a bunch of injured people.
That minister really says something about 200 dead?
300 is the bare minimum students killed and thats the chinese gov number. Its likely 1200 (most supported number) or 10,000 (my schizo number that I choose to believe based off a single unsubstantiated source). There were at least 10k injured since army was firing live rounds into the crowd.
I believe those were from the fighting happening elsewhere since there was an active rebellion going on with soldiers being lynched etc. What the wapo reporter is speaking against is this idea in the western mind of peaceful protesters on tiananmen square being mowed down by gunfire.
Ok yeah no nobody who has done as minimal investigation as “looking at the square in the background of the tankman video” and cares about the incident beyond its utility as hostile evidence believes that, I assumed we were talking about the entire incident.
If you are talking about tank man i can just show you you can clearly see tiananmen square in the background and the direction the tanks are going and where the guy is pointing.
can’t wait for that one guy from .ml to show up and argue that Tiananmen Square was a peaceful protest and post links claiming that there were no deaths recorded there.
You dont need to make a strawman of what mls believe, you can just quote the wikipedia and ignore the claims by countries that have a reason to fabricate hostile evidence. If you want to go further, look at testimonies by witnesses that corroborate the side opposed to where they currently live.
Its also important to try to understand why the chinese feel the issue is contentious and the various perspectives, as opposed to letting the other side tell you how the chinese feel and why.
There is no positive justification for tanks on a city street what the fuck are you even talking about.
it’s a new account of a known tankie. Just block and ignore
There were no deaths recorded there though. Here is what a reporter of the washington post who was in Beijing at the time says about that.
IIRC, The chinese government say 200 something died, and presumably they have more information than a wapo reporter, since they can ask the hospitals and witnesses to verify the police and military reports.
Source?
Some minister, 15 days after the events, according to a paywalled book in 1998, according to wikipedia.
The death toll was certainly greater than zero, theres pictures of dead soldiers and like 2 dozen protestors in the streets surrounding the square.
Ive read parts of the wikipedia page on it and it says the chinese gov states there were around 20 soldiers killed, but it doesnt mention civilians killed, plus a bunch of injured people. That minister really says something about 200 dead?
300 is the bare minimum students killed and thats the chinese gov number. Its likely 1200 (most supported number) or 10,000 (my schizo number that I choose to believe based off a single unsubstantiated source). There were at least 10k injured since army was firing live rounds into the crowd.
Do you have a source for that 300 students gov number?
I believe those were from the fighting happening elsewhere since there was an active rebellion going on with soldiers being lynched etc. What the wapo reporter is speaking against is this idea in the western mind of peaceful protesters on tiananmen square being mowed down by gunfire.
Ok yeah no nobody who has done as minimal investigation as “looking at the square in the background of the tankman video” and cares about the incident beyond its utility as hostile evidence believes that, I assumed we were talking about the entire incident.
Thats precisely the distinction the wapo reporter makes