• tone@lemmy.world
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    The dairy industry receives tens of billions in federal subsidies each year, and then dumps $100 million back on congress to solidify their position and earn even more favorable treatment from Congress. Really nasty system we have.

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    You can declare war on it all you want. It’s not going away no matter what it’s called. Seems like a real waste of money to be arguing about it.

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      It’s modern capitalism 101. Can’t beat them on the market? Start filing frivolous lawsuits until your competition collapses under the weight of legal fees even if they win every case.

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      But if they can kick down at it, slow it down, and force all the brands to rebrand and rename their products, they might scare some people away from it for good and just make others ignore it due to confusing or unfamiliar naming.

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        I don’t think you’re giving people much credit. The fact they accepted these drinks as it is to begin with speaks a lot for habit

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        Yeah, basically. If you want it richer like commercial oat milk and/or you want it not to separate in coffee, you’ll also need to blend in some neutral oil plus xanthan gum after straining.

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    Don’t know about you, but I’m not going to start buying liquid milked from a cow, and stop buying liquid that was milked from a bunch of almonds, just because cow-milkers won’t let almond-milkers say “milk”. The non-dairy producers will just get creative and name their stuff something else, like Malk

  • Jordan Lund@lemmy.one
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    Big dairy’s collusion with the US government is a much deeper issue than anyone suspects.

    Here’s a good read on it, I wish everyone knew about this:

    https://www.pcrm.org/news/news-releases/doctors-denounce-government-partnership-pizza-hut-push-cheese

    tl;dr The US government is partnering with food manufacturers (and Pizza Hut) to increase the amount of cheese in products in order to prop up the dairy industry.

    When it comes down to “can oat milk be called milk?” I think the outcome is a foregone conclusion.

    FWIW - I consider myself “lactose ambivalent”. I’m not intolerant. :) It just doesn’t occur to me to buy dairy most of the time.

    I do enjoy Oat Milk, I wish it didn’t have as much sugar in it as it does. :( It really doesn’t like me though!

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      The US FDA is a captured organization. The familiar food pyramid was hogwash designed to support the grains industry and led to the obesity epidemic.

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      Something I think gets glossed over by most folks is inflation figures effect on food. Things in the inflation index consumer basket, always subsidized. If the government didn’t manipulate the price on these items they’d have to pay out more in pensions and social security payments.

      Everything that effects inflation figures is subsidized. Corn gets to double dip. It’s in so many good products and they make gas with it. Our corn is so subsidized that other countries don’t allow it to be imported.

    • witten@lemmy.world
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      Try making your own oat milk and put in as little sugar as you want! It’s pretty easy.

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    it obviously doesn’t confuse consumers: no one thinks you can milk an almond. It’s just another way for a big business interest to try to push an agenda

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        No way, the dumbass who didn’t read the package (that says non-dairy cheese right on it) is not a reason to let the government prop up a big agribusiness. Should the vegan cheeses not be allowed to put a picture of their product on the package either for when people decide not to read the package?

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    I get it. There’s the old Lewis Black rant that you need a tit for “milk” and no one wants to drink something called “soy juice.” But I think that letting plant-based alternatives label themselves as “milk” allows them to compete in an arena where they are a tiny fraction of sales.

    Plant-based milk often uses much less water than animal milk.

    TLDR: Oat milk is fukken awesome and also like the one thing my kid isn’t allergic to.

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    I’m a fairly big fan of coconut fluid in particular but it’s not milk. it’s just not. milk comes from a titty. you can sell milk substitutes. I even prefer them, but it simply is not milk and I’m fine with food needing to be labelled what it is.

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    It only took one time for me ruining a pizza with congealed palm oil deliberately masquerading as “mozzarella cheese” to be 100% on big dairy’s side here.

    If it’s not an animal product, it shouldn’t be labeled “milk” or “cheese”

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      The term “milk” is an old chemistry term referring to a “heterogeneous mixture of insoluble compounds”. “Colloid” is the modern term. Think “milk of magnesia”, which is used as an antacid. It is called a milk because the Mg(OH)2 doesn’t dissolve and just forms a suspension. Almond milk is a suspension of ground up almond particles. Cow milk is a suspension of fat particles that won’t dissolve. This is why milk is homogenized: because it wants to form a floating fat layer and water layer. That’s unappealing so they fake making it look the same throughout. It is not a homogeneous solution. So anything you can mix up in water that doesn’t dissolve and it stays suspended is “milk”.

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        I mean, it’s two definitions for the same word. And it looks like mammary secretions is the older version, I think. Additionally, personally that is what I think of when I think of milk. I think of almond milk as an emulsion of almonds that approximates milk and I think most people agree with me.

        That said, I am not going to confuse almond milk for milk unless they just straight up call it milk.

        Bare minimum research: https://www.etymonline.com/word/milk

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        So anything you can mix up in water that doesn’t dissolve and it stays suspended is “milk”.

        Not to consumers, which is ultimately the only thing that should matter when making decisions on how food should and should not be labeled.

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        I once had to waste 5 minutes and way too many clicks to find that a hamburger was not meat, no idea what it was actually made of because they won’t tell you. I wanted to find out why it was cheap. You can’t pretend that they aren’t being misleading and trying to hide things and the fact that you are really doesn’t help your cause.

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          I don’t have a cause besides keeping the government from favoring big businesses, why should the dairy industry get to say I can’t put “m’lk” on my package because they don’t like it

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        Warning labels aren’t helpful when they’re intentionally misleading. That’s kinda the entire point.