I looked at his Instagram before I left my comment (that agreed with you) and there’s a drawing of a middle eastern guy with a nose way closer to the stereotype on there, too.
I’m not just hesitant to claim it’s bigotry - I’m outright refusing to without further evidence for all the reasons you outlined. There’s nothing bigoted about the way the soldier is drawn because that’s not even accurate to the stereotype at all
Make some shit up? It’s pink and unusually elongated with respect to the other characters. I’m not going to scour through the artist’s works to prove that it might be an accidental embellishment. If you make a comic that is not part of a series, it should be self contained.
All the other details you pointed out are just strawman bullshit.
What’s happening to Palestinians is genocide. It’s fucked beyond belief. This went from a poignant comic to something I don’t want to be associated with.
Four fingers, one floating eye, sclara? All straw-men that you ‘defeated’ to prove me wrong. I don’t comment on bigotry lightly. I know antisemitism is thrown around as much as comparisons to hitler in hyperbole these days.
If someone has to look at your body of work to understand if you’re racist or not, you fucked up.
I will give you the author of the cartoon may not be racist. I can’t say. This particular embellishment was a mistake on their part. It watered down the potency of the comic for some and that makes it an oversight at best.
You immediately jumping to it being bigotry is the very thing Israel is doing right now claiming all criticism is bigotry. They both have stupid looking noses since its a sketched cartoon. Stop jumping to conclusions.
Yeah but the artist is called Nasser. Sounds pretty antisemitic to me. I met a guy called Nasser once, guess what his surname was? That’s right, Hussein. What do you think he thought about Jews? I’ve no idea, he seemed like a decent guy though, so probably nothing awful. I’m assuming this Nasser Junior must be his son? He had a big nose too, come to think of it.
I replied to the first commenter with this but the soldier’s nose is not the antisemitic stereotype. It “should” (if you’re trying to be racist) be hooked and pointing downward
Maybe. If I were to draw a comic about Japanese I’d be very careful about how I draw eyes and teeth because of how they were stereotyped in the past. If I drew one with black people I’d be sure it looked nothing like Pepe the frog. Lots of characters have the eyes outside the head style. Weiner face isn’t what I see here.
Come on, that’s just a cartoon nose. It’s not even close to the racist stereotype of Jewish noses.
The Jewish nose, or the Jew’s nose, is an antisemitic ethnic stereotype referring to a hooked nose with a convex nasal bridge and a downward turn of the tip of the nose
I didn’t think today I’d be looking at people arguing a Jew depicted with twice the size nose as the other character in the panel while speaking in broken English was going to be argued as not stereotypical because it isn’t hooked enough.
Certainly didn’t think I’d see it as the upvoted opinion.
Honestly I think eye dialect is the real grotesque part of this.
Most Israelis are native English speakers or were raised speaking English, there’s no reason to have used satirical grammar except to portray a gross ethnic stereotype.
Not to mention that I think it undercuts the premise to make it about ethnicity.
I’m sorry maybe I’m missing something, but how is it a stereotype to have the character speak like an idiot? The artist is trying to show that Israel in general is being idiotic, so this character speaking in a grammatically incorrect way matches that.
It isn’t just an idiotic way of speaking, they’re using eye dialect spelling to reproduce the guttural sound in traditional hebrew pronunciation (e.g. 'k-hamas), which is ethnically specific and a very common trope in antisemitic media. Modern Israelis typically have more in common with western english speakers (many don’t originate from Israel at all) than with this type of orthodox speech mannerisms.
It would have been one thing to portray the figure as an idiot, but combining it with ethnically-charged tropes and signifiers starts making the comic less about the nature of what they’re doing (and the ridiculous logic they’re using to justify it) and more about what ethnic group the figure is a part of.
It’s good practice to look critically at politically-charged comics for shorthands like the above.
Have you considered perhaps the view that you might be an idiot? I do, and I accept that I lack understanding and that my knowledge is incomplete.
You should try and do the same. It helps.
Back on the topic.
If Zionists consider themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity and thus separate themselves from the rest of their ethnicity, when someone else depicts that view, it is automatically anti-Semitic?
So when Nazis separated themselves from the rest of the populace, only accepted the Aryan race as supreme and started genociding those they considered inferior, people who depicted them as such were actually anti-germanic.
I hope your brain doesn’t hurt now that it’s broken.
If Zionists consider themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity and thus separate themselves from the rest of their ethnicity, when someone else depicts that view, it is automatically anti-Semitic?
Lol, you’re really doubling down on this? By your logic, does depicting a jew with a hooked nose classify as antisemitic? Since they say they’re the ‘true jews’, are any of the classic jewish stereotypes fair game?
The problem with their use isn’t that you’re projecting a classification on them, it’s that you’re tying their differentiating characteristics to the terrible thing they’ve done. You’re making it (to varying degrees) about what makes them jewish, not the terrible thing they’re doing.
I’ve heard a lot of rationalizations of racism before, but “i’m actually doing activism” is a new one.
Subtle work there with the nose.
Both the press and the soldier have quite a large nose so that doesn’t seem to imply much.
It’s about the color on one of them
If you look through his comics he does randomly color noses and this isn’t exactly what I’d consider to be a “Jewish nose”.
Where?
I didn’t say which nose.
Attempt to save face failed!
Would you like to try again?
As an artist myself, nothing is ever an accident. There wasn’t any need for it to tell the story. Using bigotry to describe genocide is a misstep.
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I looked at his Instagram before I left my comment (that agreed with you) and there’s a drawing of a middle eastern guy with a nose way closer to the stereotype on there, too.
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I’m not just hesitant to claim it’s bigotry - I’m outright refusing to without further evidence for all the reasons you outlined. There’s nothing bigoted about the way the soldier is drawn because that’s not even accurate to the stereotype at all
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Make some shit up? It’s pink and unusually elongated with respect to the other characters. I’m not going to scour through the artist’s works to prove that it might be an accidental embellishment. If you make a comic that is not part of a series, it should be self contained.
All the other details you pointed out are just strawman bullshit.
What’s happening to Palestinians is genocide. It’s fucked beyond belief. This went from a poignant comic to something I don’t want to be associated with.
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Four fingers, one floating eye, sclara? All straw-men that you ‘defeated’ to prove me wrong. I don’t comment on bigotry lightly. I know antisemitism is thrown around as much as comparisons to hitler in hyperbole these days.
If someone has to look at your body of work to understand if you’re racist or not, you fucked up.
Have you heard of a saying? “Those looking for something will find it even where none exists.”
Yes, it’s often true.
I will give you the author of the cartoon may not be racist. I can’t say. This particular embellishment was a mistake on their part. It watered down the potency of the comic for some and that makes it an oversight at best.
You immediately jumping to it being bigotry is the very thing Israel is doing right now claiming all criticism is bigotry. They both have stupid looking noses since its a sketched cartoon. Stop jumping to conclusions.
Yeah but the artist is called Nasser. Sounds pretty antisemitic to me. I met a guy called Nasser once, guess what his surname was? That’s right, Hussein. What do you think he thought about Jews? I’ve no idea, he seemed like a decent guy though, so probably nothing awful. I’m assuming this Nasser Junior must be his son? He had a big nose too, come to think of it.
I replied to the first commenter with this but the soldier’s nose is not the antisemitic stereotype. It “should” (if you’re trying to be racist) be hooked and pointing downward
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_nose
Indeed, very deliberate – because it makes a fucking penis shape, you silly goose. Look at the positioning of the eyes.
Maybe. If I were to draw a comic about Japanese I’d be very careful about how I draw eyes and teeth because of how they were stereotyped in the past. If I drew one with black people I’d be sure it looked nothing like Pepe the frog. Lots of characters have the eyes outside the head style. Weiner face isn’t what I see here.
Come on, that’s just a cartoon nose. It’s not even close to the racist stereotype of Jewish noses.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_nose
I didn’t think today I’d be looking at people arguing a Jew depicted with twice the size nose as the other character in the panel while speaking in broken English was going to be argued as not stereotypical because it isn’t hooked enough.
Certainly didn’t think I’d see it as the upvoted opinion.
Not at all like classic stereotypes or anything:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vw-g6JzHii8
Yeah totally different
/s
Uhhh it’s a pretty huge difference. Nobody says Jews have long pointy noses like that.
Go look at his other comics. You’ll find he’s drawn noses way more similar to the stereotype on brown people speaking arabic
Did you happen to notice the detached eye floating in mid air?
A famous Jewish trait
blood eyeball
Yet another hurtful Jewish stereotype! /s
You’re right. They also didn’t use the Israeli flag, instead opting for just the Star of David.
You might want to take a look at the israeli flag.
The flag is the star of David, no? I guess two bands of blue make a very subtle difference.
Honestly I think eye dialect is the real grotesque part of this.
Most Israelis are native English speakers or were raised speaking English, there’s no reason to have used satirical grammar except to portray a gross ethnic stereotype.
Not to mention that I think it undercuts the premise to make it about ethnicity.
I’m sorry maybe I’m missing something, but how is it a stereotype to have the character speak like an idiot? The artist is trying to show that Israel in general is being idiotic, so this character speaking in a grammatically incorrect way matches that.
It isn’t just an idiotic way of speaking, they’re using eye dialect spelling to reproduce the guttural sound in traditional hebrew pronunciation (e.g. 'k-hamas), which is ethnically specific and a very common trope in antisemitic media. Modern Israelis typically have more in common with western english speakers (many don’t originate from Israel at all) than with this type of orthodox speech mannerisms.
It would have been one thing to portray the figure as an idiot, but combining it with ethnically-charged tropes and signifiers starts making the comic less about the nature of what they’re doing (and the ridiculous logic they’re using to justify it) and more about what ethnic group the figure is a part of.
It’s good practice to look critically at politically-charged comics for shorthands like the above.
Have you considered perhaps the view of Zionists considering themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity?
Congratulations, you’ve broken my brain with this rationalization of antisemitism.
‘They consider themselves the only ‘real’ jews, so by being antisemitic i’m really just being anti-zionist’
Have you considered perhaps the view that you might be an idiot? I do, and I accept that I lack understanding and that my knowledge is incomplete. You should try and do the same. It helps.
Back on the topic. If Zionists consider themselves as the only true representatives of their ethnicity and thus separate themselves from the rest of their ethnicity, when someone else depicts that view, it is automatically anti-Semitic?
So when Nazis separated themselves from the rest of the populace, only accepted the Aryan race as supreme and started genociding those they considered inferior, people who depicted them as such were actually anti-germanic.
I hope your brain doesn’t hurt now that it’s broken.
Lol, you’re really doubling down on this? By your logic, does depicting a jew with a hooked nose classify as antisemitic? Since they say they’re the ‘true jews’, are any of the classic jewish stereotypes fair game?
The problem with their use isn’t that you’re projecting a classification on them, it’s that you’re tying their differentiating characteristics to the terrible thing they’ve done. You’re making it (to varying degrees) about what makes them jewish, not the terrible thing they’re doing.
I’ve heard a lot of rationalizations of racism before, but “i’m actually doing activism” is a new one.
Who’s talking about noses? This was about a manner of speech.