The warning was direct, blunt and left no room for doubt. “We expect all ICC actions against the United States and our ally Israel – that is, all investigations and all arrest warrants – to be terminated,” said Reed Rubinstein, legal adviser at the US State Department, before delegates of the 125 member states of the International Criminal Court (ICC) on Tuesday, July 8, at a meeting at United Nations headquarters in New York from July 7 to 9.
If the ICC arrest warrants for crimes against humanity and war crimes issued against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former defense minister Yoav Gallant on November 21, 2024, as well as ongoing investigations into crimes committed in the Gaza Strip and the settlement of Palestinian territory, are not dropped, “all options remain on the table,” he declared.
Personally, I think we should go fuck ourselves.
I wonder who the bad guys are
I know, it’s super hard to tell from a moral point of view.
I always thought that Killeen civilians was a war crime but obviously it’s more complicated than that. Fortunately the US is here to explain things in a calm and coherent manner.
There is no statue of limitations on genocide. And Trump won’t be president forever. And younger Americans (i.e. the future) are really fucking sick of Israel’s shit.
No US president has ever faced a war crimes tribunal, despite every one of them killing large numbers of civilians.
Nor will they face one, until like nazi germany, the US is overthrown and its leaders are made to account for its crimes.
People are still voting for the same two party supporting israel unconditionally
The cracks are really starting to show. The Democratic party is effectively tearing itself apart right now.
And Trump won’t be president forever.
So? The previous administration had the same policy on Israel, as do both parties currently.
The American public used to broadly support Israel. That support has plummeted in the last 2 years, particularly among younger Americans. As they age into a more prominent voting demographic, this changes the types of platforms that politicians run, and win on.
I want to point out that the shift in opinion is more a generational one than left/right one, even though there is a notable difference between the parties.
The politicians are still payed by aipac, all the already strong support for palestine by people did nothing . People will still vote for the same two zionist parties. Netenyaho is determined to do the final solution . How many more months gazan can survive?
What does that have to do with Trump then?
That his policies won’t be in effect forever.
But supporting Israel isn’t a Trump specific policy.
Fortunately when these laws were introduced, they were not applied retrospectively, so settler nations where the genocides kicked off 200 years ago are totally exempt! Phew that was close.
I’m not aware of any laws that have been passed that are applied retroactively. It’s referred to as an ex post facto law, and in the U.S. it is prohibited in the Constitution (for whatever that is worth these days).
yeah, good luck hoping a future murican president will fix this
They don’t have to. They just have to stop blocking other nations from doing so, e.g. via UN vetoes and various sanctions against ICC.
Have any USA president, from any of the 2 allowed parties, ever NOT blocked or vetoed a sanction against Israel or allowed a modicum of dignity to Palestine?
Reagan, of all people
Wow, this was a shock! hehehe
Nah, the more time passes, the less incentive there is for many people to pursue justice when there are newer things on their plates.
Same as modern Web’s “attention economy”.
But frankly in classical cultures they knew that too, catch the moment, now or never.
I think this is, in large part, one of the reasons many of these authoritarian types get out of control.
On some level they know whether or not they consider their actions to be illegal that other people will. At some point they anticipate blowback and a lot of their flailing overreach stems directly from trying to get out ahead of any consequences that may come their way.
It absolutely is. It’s one of those things that you can’t really turn back from once you start down that road.
I think it’s time for the ICC to start issuing arrest warrants for US leaders, their backers and their repugnant little think tanks
Member countries would have to divest from the dollar first. We got everyone to use our currencies as a form of stabilizing politics and now we have a group of bad actors using that to their advantage.
BRICS is making headway with that.
The US empire is already in decline. What it’s allies need to work out is when to jump ship
BRICS has the downside of including Russia.
It might not seem that way, but Russia is actually the shittiest of USA’s minions. Its “independent” actions like war with Ukraine are no more independent in fact than those of Saudis.
It’s definitely aligned with the stinkier part of USA’s elites, but somehow had good enough relationship with all of them.
Maybe reforming UN as a candidate for some actual world confederation would be a better idea.
I’ll bite. This is a genuinely new take I haven’t seen before, despite 3 years of the war. Would you mind explaining how exactly Russia is an American minion?
3·2 days agoCan someone on lemmygrad post a reminder that many instances have defederated from you and can therefore not see your comments. I keep seeing you peeps replying to people that will never see your comments.
lemmy.world is one of them. Rottingleaf is not going to see your comment, it doesn’t show up on lemmy.world
Skill issue
I’m stupid. I completely forgot that the worlders have enforced an authoritarian tankie censorship regime 😔
And g7 has good economical ties to israel. If russia is well tied to the other brics countries it would be easier to pressure them to end the war
EUR is honestly a better reserve currency, more stable already.
About divesting from dollars - I dunno how hard this is. Probably would be better for the US to provoke it to signal that time is nigh. Because otherwise this can only happen very slowly.
Couple of issues here - first, for the Euro to be used as a reserve currency, the EU would have to be a net importer of goods (and exporter of Euros). But EU policy is based on avoiding deficits. Second, for the Euro to be taken seriously by other countries, there should be something manufactured by the EU, that can, at least in theory, be bought with it. But the EU’s manufacturing sector, particularly in Germany, is collapsing.
Well. There was a time when currencies were to an extent interoperable, via a certain portion of silver called joachimstaler, or just taler, or yefimok, or dollar … being approximately the same everywhere. Still, that was mostly used in colonies and in international trade, locally they’d use different incompatible currencies.
Funny you should mention that. I was reading some discussion that several countries’ central banks are buying up gold. There was also one guy speculating that they might make some sort of gold-backed currency for international trade.
Time is a circle, etc.
This is also funny in the sense that one of explanations of Bitcoin is “digital gold” - that world economies and societies went in a wrong direction once they stopped being gold-backed, except gold and everything RL is controlled by governments, while Bitcoin is a subject to freedom of speech and whatever.
An already archaic viewpoint TBH, that many even western governments respect freedom of anything and human rights. And in another sense too archaic - the idea that a currency being gold-backed is something valuable was kinda libertarian around year 2007.
Which is also an answer to people saying that Bitcoin is not backed by anything (like country’s economy in this sense and not technical ability to exchange it for gold), it’s the main cryptocurrency, and it seems to work well enough despite high volatility.
This won’t be a circle though. Today they really like their control and surveillance. A gold-backed currency is where anyone owning N of M can exchange them to gold with which an M is guaranteed by a rate that doesn’t change, load that gold into bags, carry it to another country, go to a bank and exchange that gold to its currency. Perhaps declaring that they are carrying that gold at customs.
Gold-backed for governments - we-ell, maybe in some way.
Which of the coward leaders will apply it?
Please don’t. I don’t need americans invading my country.
Fuck Israel… And the US.
warns
No; “threatens”. Get it right, news headline writers! It’s not a warning but a threat.
It’s like how most Canadians view America as a threat and not a warning (oh, wait. Maybe we do see it as a warning too, as we have our own soulless charlatan oilman scumbag politicians).
The way media across the world sane washes and softens Trump will never be something ill understand.
Threatens is when big bad Iran says something mean >:(
Yep well considering the US leadership is basically following 1930s Germany as a guide.
The exact reason the ICC was formed. Yeah objections are to be expected.
The British Empire is most notable on this picture with its glaring absence.
Obey your masters, know your place.
the most galling thing about this is that most will continue to insist that we’re still following the rules based world order.
And they’d be right; the whole point of the phrase “rules based international order”, is that it invokes the good connotations of “international law”, while not actually meaning anything like international law, and instead just meaning brutal western hegemony.
i guess it’s just another example of people not bothering to look beneath the surface of a soundbite or slogan that sounds good.
The “rules for you not for me” world order is just in effect as usual
Hague Invasion Act, lets go!
are not dropped, “all options remain on the table,” he declared.
That being dicks offered to him
Trump’s threatening to hold his breath.
Or what?
"U.S. President George Bush today signed into law the American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002, which is intended to intimidate countries that ratify the treaty for the International Criminal Court (ICC). The new law authorizes the use of military force to liberate any American or citizen of a U.S.-allied country being held by the court, which is located in The Hague. This provision, dubbed the “Hague invasion clause,” has caused a strong reaction from U.S. allies around the world, particularly in the Netherlands.
In addition, the law provides for the withdrawal of U.S. military assistance from countries ratifying the ICC treaty, and restricts U.S. participation in United Nations peacekeeping unless the United States obtains immunity from prosecution. At the same time, these provisions can be waived by the president on “national interest” grounds. "
https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law
Or the US will step up its material support for genocide?
No.
they already did, little imperialist cucks, bibi flies over europe without issues
