Yeah I pulled it out originally because I was tired of people saying that āgiā is almost always hard g, and I donāt think the lack of f makes a difference (because English spelling rules are silly, like you say. In the other thread I mentioned that just because the word āwomenā exists we donāt pronounce every āwomā sequence with a short i sound).
Not everyone pronounces āwomenā with a short i sound, itās regional and there are no arguments about the āproperā pronouciation. The word is clearly understood either way so it doesnāt matter.
Yeah of course āproperā doesnāt really mean anything when talking about idolects. Iām curious thoughāIāve been trying to get more information about the /wŹmÉn/ pronunciation for awhile. Do you know what region itās common to? That pronunciation doesnāt show up in any dictionary (or at least any American one) except wiktionary and whenever I search for it thereās not much info about it. Iām trying to figure out if itās regional or a more recent trend spread across a younger group online or something.
Lmao, idk why anyone would claim that either. Re: the other part, I also donāt think thereās any inherent reason the āfā, but in my sleepy haze writing this last night I wasnāt able to think of an example with the soft āgā followed by āifā. I feel like it must exist but Iām too tired to find it.
Looks like the only ānormalā(ish) word that has the gif string is fungiform, and even that has both hard/soft g listed as pronunciations. There are also apparently a few long words like spongiferous and some biologic classes (as opposed to (eg) species) ending in -formes that happen to end in -giformes (like Archaeopterygiformes). But I wouldnāt expect too many people to have those in their pocket during a discussion of -gif- words.
Yeah I pulled it out originally because I was tired of people saying that āgiā is almost always hard g, and I donāt think the lack of f makes a difference (because English spelling rules are silly, like you say. In the other thread I mentioned that just because the word āwomenā exists we donāt pronounce every āwomā sequence with a short i sound).
Not everyone pronounces āwomenā with a short i sound, itās regional and there are no arguments about the āproperā pronouciation. The word is clearly understood either way so it doesnāt matter.
Yeah of course āproperā doesnāt really mean anything when talking about idolects. Iām curious thoughāIāve been trying to get more information about the /wŹmÉn/ pronunciation for awhile. Do you know what region itās common to? That pronunciation doesnāt show up in any dictionary (or at least any American one) except wiktionary and whenever I search for it thereās not much info about it. Iām trying to figure out if itās regional or a more recent trend spread across a younger group online or something.
Lmao, idk why anyone would claim that either. Re: the other part, I also donāt think thereās any inherent reason the āfā, but in my sleepy haze writing this last night I wasnāt able to think of an example with the soft āgā followed by āifā. I feel like it must exist but Iām too tired to find it.
Looks like the only ānormalā(ish) word that has the gif string is fungiform, and even that has both hard/soft g listed as pronunciations. There are also apparently a few long words like spongiferous and some biologic classes (as opposed to (eg) species) ending in -formes that happen to end in -giformes (like Archaeopterygiformes). But I wouldnāt expect too many people to have those in their pocket during a discussion of -gif- words.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/words-containing-gif
https://word-finder.com/words-with/gif/