Why do I see endless waves of everton fans say they haven’t broke any rules, and everything will be turned over through appeal?
Has any one seen the latest athletic article?
Everton football club are really in trouble here, and I believe all 3 teams looking for a court case will win. That is another possible 9 point deduction.
Also, all this talk of a hostile goodison on the weekend, for what gain?
Second question would be, why does everyone now relate this to Man City? Since when have Man City ever been comparable to any other team in the prem?
Fairness is something we can all agree on, but it’s not the way it works.
Does anyone else think Everton are safe, even with another 9 point deduction, because I do. But I digress, why do Everton fans feel they have done nothing wrong?
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I definitely have not seen ‘endless waves’ if Everyone fans saying they haven’t broken the rules. I’ve seen a lot of dismay and gallows humour.
Those 3 teams have zero chance at winning a lawsuit
Was it Southampton that got £20milliom from West Ham over Carlos Tevez helping them stay up and wasn’t even a legit player?
Think you’ll find, they probably do have a chance mate
Nah. They were relegated because they fielded worse teams. Plain and simple
They settled out of court.
Endless waves of Everton fans saying we haven’t broke the rules?
I’ve spent hours reading and hearing hundreds of takes from Everton fans and not a single one has claimed this. Stop talking utter bullshit.
Three teams went down. If Everton had gone down only one would have stayed up. Why would all three be entitled to compensation?
Because all three have a case for being disadvantaged from Everton cheating.
But that case is a complete non starter for two reasons they didn’t overspend that season and the season they did overspend for they gained no competitive advantage for. Both these factors should shut down any potential case in my opinion pretty quickly
Yeah they were really disadvantaged when we signed all of zero players in January knowing full well we were in the a serious relegation scrap and could not score goals to save our life. How is losing money to the point of being unable to invest in the first team cheating?
Cheating would be us not only breaching the loss rules, but also using the suspect money to bring in players.
I genuinely think the EPL have shot themselves in the foot here. One could say this was to demonstrate they can keep order in their own house, yet what it’s going to do it open so many negatives the EPL will (imo) be government regulated before long. The politicians are calling for this, and the EPL don’t want it, so you’ve got to ask yourself why don’t they want it? By trying to self regulate they’ve gone too far immediately and created a storm that won’t be contained - it’s going to be fascinating to watch.
Can we ask the government to investigate PGMOL while we are at it?
I do feel for Everton, it’s a harsh punishment and I don’t think there should be punishment for investing what you like into a club to make it run better, that’s a good thing in business and that’s what football is now, which hurts as much as it’s true. The rules are stupid but if you’ve broken them and there is proof of that, you can’t complain.
On the City subject, I don’t understand how every fan thinks they’re guilty when the charges are accusations? It still has to go to a panel and case and most of the 115 charges are little things that have been duplicated from one charge like ‘failure to report financials on time’. It’s really petty to claim to be forthright and claim that your club has done no wrong when most clubs have. United got charged for FFP for a similar charge in the summer and got a small fine.
I do think if City get charged with the 115 charges, it will be the end of the premier league as we know it. They will get lawyers on the appeal and charges will be handed out to all other clubs i.e United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea. Because if City have done any wrong for trying to build a club, then the others have certainly done so. In the 90’s/early 00’s United paid record fee’s for many players and on that basis became as well supported as they are now to get that revenue stream they have from fans all over the world. It’s quite a conundrum the premier league have on their hands if there is no statue of limitations in their rules which has been stated many times.
I’m an Everton fan
I’m not saying we were at all innocent, I mean we had some shite accounting and deserve to be punished for that but in the end it was something as small as a 19M overdraft and had made the most profit from transfers out of any other team in the prem for the past 3 years. That does not deserve 10 points when a club going into administration got deducted 9.
Also Leeds, Burnley and Southampton aren’t asking for a points deduction, they want money in terms of 300M. Leeds would have finished 18th if points were deducted from us anyway and we wouldn’t even dip below Southampton if we had points deducted that season. Burnley might get some money but it will be something much smaller than their demanded 100M like near 20M.
Agreed. But Burnley and Southampton’s argument would be, “how do you know Everton would of amassed that many points if given the deduction earlier in the season”
I think they have a case, personally.
The suing part, shouldnt that only be for the teams ending 18th those seasons this regards? Southampton were 11 pts behind Everton at 17th last season. 9 behind Leicester at 18th. They have no case at all.
Simply put the case should be shot down for lack of standing. If you somehow managed to perform worse than an Everton side that has been pissing money away on signings, firing managers annually, and consistently playing some of the worst football in the Premier League, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
As an Everton fan, I’m sorry your team got relegated but trying to sue us as the cause of said relegation is grasping at straws for an excuse that deflects blame away from your club. It also sets a very annoying and stupid precedent that could applied not just to cases of relegation, but any other instance where there is a perceived financial loss as a result of another club. Does Arsenal have standing to sue City (if that investigation ever yields results) for losing out on title revenue last season as a result of City’s advantaged financial position? It becomes a can of worms.
The fact of the matter is that the actions of Everton Football Club’s first team are in no way connected these financial breaches, that fault rests at the board/executive level. All this did to the first team is put us at an even greater disadvantage from a footballing perspective. We were in the midst of a horrid string of form last season and could do zero business in January because that’d mean overspending. Did not signing a striker leaving us with Neal Maupay, Ellis Simms, and an injured DCL give us a competitive advantage? Did constantly having protests against our own board to the point where they didn’t even bother showing up to the matches give us an advantage? No!
Footballing punishments should not be handed out for something that didn’t even give a footballing advantage. And as such, any attempt to sue over a purely footballing matter that is disconnected from the financial matters is pure hogwash.
Everton broke the rules and have been punished simple as that.
All our sympathy should be with there fans as its the club owners that got them into this mess.
The major difference between this and City is Everton were open and admitted to breaking the rules, just like Chelsea are now doing.
Chelsea will face similar punishment (possibly more severe)
As for city they are fighting against all 115 charges, but as soon as the case is done they’ll be punished to (I hope)
I do not agree with any difference of any of this cheating regardless of club, at the end of the day rules were broken and its time to pay the price.
I hope Everton stay up, and even Chelsea to, but if they go down the clubs are in prime position to come back to the prem after a year or to.
I see many Everton fans saying the club is guilty. There were two things that stuck out to me that make me not so sure. Everton are building a new stadium, to finance this they took out a loan. Everton allegedly got confirmation that the interest payments on their loan (many millions of pound sterling year) are deductible as per infrastructure spending rules as as such planned accordingly. The PL changed their mind on this decion part way through the 21/22 season and the said they would no longer allow this to be deductible. Obviously this added a big figure on to evertons spending, hence the 19.5 m overspend and player sales. Secondly an Everton player got arrested and suspended forcing Everton to end their contract with the layer and loosing out on his market worth. Now unforeseeable losses are allowed as mitigation, the PL however decided this could be a mitigating factor as it was a “business decision”.
The issue with the court case and why it probably won’t succeed is the precedent it will set. Would that mean if Chelsea and City are found to have broken rules, every team that finished below them could sue them for lost revenue/lost european football? Could Everton sue them as they missed out on CL in 13/14? It really takes you down a path that means the next decade will be spent in court deciding the results of the last decade.
Everton are a crap club who’ve been stinking up the Premier League for too long. Good riddance.
Ah yes. One of the football league founders, but sure.
I think most Everton fans that are acting like they’ve barely broken any rules or don’t deserve this (harsh) level of punishment are doing so under the assumption that any punishment that City/Chelsea receive in the future won’t be anywhere near proportional.
Which is technical unfounded, but also completely understandable.
Everton have broken the rules, that’s undeniable, but they’ve not been treated fairly in accordance to other side’s who’ve also broken the rules.
I’m guessing here, but I expect Everton fans wouldn’t be as angry with the point deduction if Man City and Chelsea had faced similar punishments.
I wonder if punishing Everton harshly is an attempt to set a precedent for strong punishments for Man City and Chelsea —-
“Look what we did to Everton, and they only had one small offense and then complied immediately with the investigation!
“You two have 100s of millions of fraud for which to answer, so yes, we’re taking your first-born sons, we’re banning Pep, and we’re demoting both of you to a Sunday pickup league in Farnham.”
One can hope, anyways.