I am not from europe, caribbean actually.
I support Milwall but arsenal have been fun in the prem which i mostly follow now.
I understand Everton fan’s frustration but when you take a considered view of the situation there’s not a lot of weight to their argument.
Everton was deducted 10 points by the Independent Commission for breaching the Premier League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSRs). The Premier League allows the exclusion of certain Capex (expenditure on stadium costs) but interest on loans for development projects cannot be excluded. Everton knew this but continued down a path of poor financial decision making which ended in them breaching the limit when interest was included in profit/loss calculations. Everton was already under more stringent review by the Premier League after Covid and this was one relativity ease charge to investigate.
Manchester City has been charged with 115 breaches of financial fair play (FFP) rules over a nine-year period from 2009 to 2018. The Premier League alleges that the club did not provide accurate financial information, potentially inflating income and concealing expenses. The very fact some of the key charges relate to concelling expenses makes this far more time consuming/complex and thats not even considering the lengths Man Citys legal team is going to not cooperate.
When we took the loans out, the interest was excluded, they changed that afterwards.
Oil money says EPL will not take any action against Man City.
Evertons biggest fault was that they couldnt afford to pay the bribes.
there’s not a lot of weight to their argument
Because you’re responding to an argument very few Everton fans are actually making. The primary reason for the protest isn’t (generally) that we think we’ve been unfairly found guilty. The reason for the protest is that we’ve been hit with an unprecedented penalty and the standards behind the punishment decision have never been fully spelled out. Even now, the PL have said this punishment isn’t necessarily meant to impact future punishment decisions. Until the PL has a clear punishment framework, this points deduction is going to feel to a lot of Everton fans like we’ve been hard done
Have you read the decision because it’s very clear in how they calculated the sanction.
Sanction Principles: The Commission is allowed to use its discretion for sanctions providing they follow the principles set out by the Premier League. The Premier League has proposed a specific formula which starts from a 12 point deduction for breaches, which had the Commission used would likely have resulted in a more severe punishment for Everton given the below
Aggravating Factors: The Premier League identified four factors that it believed aggravated Everton’s breaches:
The club overspent despite repeated warnings. The amount by which Everton’s actual losses exceeded the £105 million threshold. The submission of misleading information about stadium financing costs. The decision not to sell a particular player, despite previous assertions to the contrary.
Mitigating Factors: Everton presented six factors it believed should mitigate the breach:
Could have treated certain interest charges as capital expenditure. IC Response: Everton’s argument based on a false premise.
The player termination loss should be considered as mitigating. IC Response: Loss stemmed from a business decision Everton made, which doesn’t typically qualify as a mitigating factor.
Covid impacts on player trading and the ability to sell players. IC Response: Largely attributable to the fact that there was no ready purchaser for those players at the prices that Everton was seeking
Full cooperation with the Premier League’s investigation. IC Response We have already found Everton’s conduct not to be in compliance with the obligation of utmost good faith imposed by Rule B15.
A positive trend in the club’s PSR adjusted losses. IC Response: Positive trend in 2020/2021 but returned to a negative trend in 2023
The impact of the Russian invasion of Ukraine on Everton’s investment and sponsorship income. IC Response: Predominantly related to a £10m naming rights deal which doesn’t come into effect until 2025/26 season.
Quantification of Sanction: The Commission concluded that Everton’s breach was significant and required a sporting sanction in the form of a points deduction. Everton’s culpability was deemed high due to significant overspending and a lack of transparency. An immediate deduction of 10 points was determined as the appropriate penalty.
Seems like you’ve copy-pasted text from the ruling without addressing anything I’ve said. The PL does not have a codified punishment framework and has said that the approach used against Everton here may well not apply elsewhere. That is horseshit and fans are rightly aggrieved
You are incorrect about the sanction principles, the EFL used the 12 point deduction starting point then lowers the punishment based on mitigating factors, not the EPL.
The EPL proposed starting at 6 points, adding 1 for every £5m over £105m which would have resulted in a 10 point deduction in this instance. However the EPL declined to use this formula as Rule W51 of the prem allows them to “make any other such order as they see fit”.
It is bizarre that they refused to use the proposal and ended up at the same place with no actual rationale other than saying that was a suitable punishment. Beyond that, to then come out and say the method won’t be used in future cases is dodgy and means we can’t compare the suitability of punishments effectively.as they can make it up as they go along.
Your right EPLs is 6+ the severity would have remained the same not more. Why they didn’t just adopt the EPLs formula I don’t know, as although Man City/Chelsea are not easy to compare to compare to Everton, it would have taken away some of the controversy
I wish I could be there
They won’t be in the prem much longer so they don’t have to worry
Why not do what German clubs do? Get an entire section (or some rows) to boycott the game and then hold a banner (if allowed) in that section? If it’s in the right section of the stadium, it’s.not going to be easy for the cameras to avoid it
How dare they be punished for breaking the rules
everton fans need to make their voices heard, but let’s hope it’s all respectful and peaceful. the board definitely needs to feel the pressure.
The fans protested until that board got the sack! New board and soon new owner.
What do Everton fans actually want? I keep seeing them complaining everywhere. The club broke the rules and got punished. They should be thanking the league for doing it this season because if it happened any other year you’d be 100% relegated. Ridiculous.
It’s not being punished, they have been open and honest about the breaches, they have cooperated.
It’s the harshness of the punishment that has them up in arms.
Don’t break the rules, you don’t get punished. They have to set a precedent.
Plenty of EFL clubs have had points deducted for similar breaches.
No club has had 10 points. The maximum previously has been 9. Sheffield Wednesday, who’s case was cited by the independent panel as the reason for a sporting sanction, were docked 6 points. Birmingham had 9 and chose not to appeal because the deduction made no difference to their season. Derby had 9. None of them had mitigating circumstances like a war or a global pandemic or their star player being arrested on the eve of the season.
19 other clubs didn’t break the rules though? (In the case of city, this may change)
I don’t see what that has to do with the fact the punishment being excessive. If you got the death penalty for littering would that be fine cos “millions didn’t break the rules”?
The punishment is completely unprecedented and completely out of proportion to the rules breach. £6m a season over. That’s the equivalent of one star players wages, such as the wages we had to pay a certain Icelandic midfielder despite the fact he couldn’t play. To suggest there was even close to a 10 point sporting advantage is laughable.
Maybe punish city? Who have 115 possible breaches or even Chelsea who spent a billion or some stupid number in like two years
Everyone wants City punished, and much more severely, but you’d think they’d come out and said “Everton are to be punished and we’ve decided to do nothing against City” the way people are going on.
Someone found guilty in court for something isn’t going to have much luck pleading their innocence because somebody who did something worse hasn’t had their day in court yet.
Don’t blame Everton for appealing, makes no sense not to try and get the points deduction reduced, but the protesting all feels like a bit of a parody tbh, there’s no corruption in punishing a team who’ve broken the rules, and it shouldn’t be rocket science that a team with 115 charges against them are going to be dealt with later than Everton which is a very open and shut case. Plus Everton admitted their own guilt, City are doing the opposite.
but you’d think they’d come out and said “Everton are to be punished and we’ve decided to do nothing against City” the way people are going on.
I think because that is what everyone is expecting to happen.
They’re two separate incidents.
One was regarding the once breach which the club admitted and the other 115 which the club is disputing. The initial pre charge investigation for city took around 4 years. I’m sure I saw there was something like 20000 documents regarding the Everton breach. Imagine how many there are for City’s.
Also, the premier league has done their part. The case is now passed to an independent panel. The prem can’t speed anything up.
Best time for them too they have enough time and are in good enough form that they shouldn’t be in a relegation scrap.
Is what we did the worst thing that has ever happened in the Premier league? Simple question.
The punishment to match the crime.
Some of the mitigating factors to have not been dismissed without fair consideration.
For one of the guys making the decision not to make recommendations for other teams to claim against us while have close connections to one of those teams and while admitting that he had wasn’t in a position to make that decision.
There’s more but that’s a start.
“Booooooooooooooooo”
Everton should be kicking off at their board not the prem.
The prem was transparent the whole way through and Everton ignored them.
We already have! The board who made those decisions is gone!
Yeah I don’t get that either. They were clearly taking the piss with FFP during covid, if anything they should be thanking the PL for deducting the points this season instead of last
How about you just win….
Victims… Of the rules
Everton owners: “you fuckers! Fine we’ll play in a different league next season!”
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Relegated.
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Everton Owners “that showed them!”