Dear lord I wish you lot still claiming corruption would go away.

The referees are ruining games, but you lot make every single moment in-between games completely miserable with this constant bullshit.

Just STFU.

No?

The title race is pretty open, Liverpool are still in it. Man City are still more likely to go on a run.

Don’t know why people try to paint a nonsense narrative.

In principle I am for the idea. In reality i’m dreading the implementation of this, as it’s a can of worms that will explode all over the PGMOL and make them look even more like incompetent idiots.

Just look at the revenue and value of sponsorships of the clubs and you will understand why people make the determination.

West Ham are, I think, the closest in revenue to the “big 6”, but still £100m short of Arsenal. NUFC are closer in sponsorship values, but still £15m a season short of Spurs.

People get distracted by performances and conflate it with the general standing of the club. There is still a huge gap for clubs to bridge.

I don’t blame him for having that opinion, but it ain’t happening.

Wolves need to request a meeting with PGMOL and get the shit that they have to deal with sorted out,because it’s genuinely out of control for them.

Yeah I remember when we were all struggling to understand how Almiron was going to fit in to Howe’s plans, and someone brought out his xG stats.

Then he went on a run of scoring absolute worldies in every game.

Eeeggh sort of.

I mean man U, yeah… But Arteta has his detractors before he got the balance right. There was an “Arteta out” movement at one point, even if it wasn’t as widespread as the media might want us to think it was.

That’s fine, but it’s just a different way of wording the option of having higher expectations. Project phase that is challenging for UCL spots isn’t a project phase.

I think we should encourage the concept of sticking by a manager rather than encouraging the toxic concept of sacking them when it isn’t panning out perfectly

You have to take your pick, accept that it’s a project that will take time, or keep your expectations high and be consistently disappointed when it isnt working.

The reality of the premier League now is that there are probably 7 or 8 clubs competing for the European spots so I think fans, across the board, need to realign their expectations.

Some seasons you will progress, others you will falter. I’m highly doubting there is going to be a, “we’re back” moment where everything goes back to the way it was.

Just let the bloke rest, he’s done enough.

I just think 10 points is disproportionate.

Makes no sense that administration is 9 points and a financial overspend of ~£20m is more.

I know that Everton abused a loop hole in COVID and they overspent sponsorship money they didn’t have, so there should be some repercussion for that, regardless of the City and Chelsea situations, but they also had the rug pulled under their feet by the Usmanov situation which I think would be unfair to not consider as extenuating circumstances.

I’m not defending a Russian oligarch here, I’m defending the club and the fans. Right up until that point, there was nothing to stop sponsorship from russian companies.

Sure, but that wouldn’t account for the level of tribalism on Reddit.

It’s just full of cunts, and the content of someone’s message is way, way, way down the list of reasons people will engage and “vote” on it.

At this point it’s almost worthless having an NUFC flair, or even using this account to post on r/soccer or r/premierleague. Typically doesn’t matter what I say, it almost immediately it gets pummels with downvotes within seconds.

This is one of the rare occations that I’ve somehow slipped through (for now). I would say the totally scientific ratio is 1/10 posts that happens.

There are no Reddit subs available for intelligent football conversation between rival fans.

The only thing that exists is a dog-pile competitions, and club specific subs where you can talk to fellow supporters. If anything, the dog-piling was not as bad here than r/soccer, but these days it’s barely distinguishable.

Occasionally there is a pocket of decent conversation within a thread, but its rare, and one fan base or another will take issue with it and start derailing it with prejudice.

It’s worth trialling, but not in the premier League.

The big positive is that it removes some of the subjectivity with line measurements being done from images that don’t have the accuracy for line measurement. People saying, “a toenail is still offside” have been pissing me off for years. The images they’re using are not accurate enough for that. They can draw it a couple of pixels off on both players and change a decision. Those pixels could be misleading due to artifacts that we have visually seen in the clips they used, such as oblong balls.

When they have been drawing these lines I’ve always said that if they’re touching, they should stick with the on-field decision or give preference to the attacker.

If they change it to what is being proposed, that whole debate is in the bin, as there has to be actual space between the players. There is still room for VAR error on tight calls, but that room is far, far smaller.

On the other hand, a high press with offside trap is way harder to pull off unless you have quick CBs, that would be a big change to adapt to. I think it’s likely we see the defensive line dropping deeper when out of possession which could stifle play, and in some cases result in less goals.

Well its a top 4, so there was always at least 2 of the “big” teams missing out on it, but you’re still right in that it has already started. My point here is that it isn’t going to get better/easier for them, or go back to the way it was.

poor camera placement

I mean, they already deploy like 30+ cameras per game. They simply cannot have, for example, like 40 cameras just dedicated to making sure they get every possible offisde angle in every game.

I don’t actually think people understand how expensive the cameras they use, and all the things that are needed to facilitate it for VAR actually are, including the staff to run them (many of which will likely be contractors on like £400-600 a day, depending on seniority and skill, in some cases more). I’m not even sure there is enough operators in the industry to keep up with the demand. I certainly get offers on a regular basis to drag me back into live ops.

People keep making these arguments without a single thought going into how it would actually work and how much it costs. It’s feasibility is really stretching the bounds of reality.

I think a lot of clubs, especially the ones we class as the “big 6” need to start getting used to fluctuation between 1-10th place for the forseeable future.

Many of the clubs that are currently battling for these positions are here to stay and whether you rise or fall can be due to something as simple as luck (e.g. loads of injuries) or the fact you have the world best head coach (e.g. Pep and Klopp). It can also be a formula, where all the pieces are working together perfectly to create an outcome that is hugely greater than the sum of its parts (e.g. Leicester’s title winning season).

The entitlement needs to go in the bin. Clubs cannot keep seeing CL spots as a given for them and need to get used to the fact there are other clubs genuinely here to play. If you miss out on them for a bad season, you can’t be calling out for coaches to be sacked, and the board to be replaced etc…

Pep and Klopp aren’t going to be here forever, and I would say both those sides will have a hangover after their coaches leave. Everything could move around at that point and we have no clue where it will settle.

Man United, a club that came 3rd last year, 6th the year before, and 2nd the year before that… are currently 6th despite having injury and squad issues, and playing somewhat disjointed football. They will grow into the season and continue to battle for European spots, even if it ends up not being CL after 38 games… that should still be ok.

*audible sigh*

Would be if it was remotely true.