• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
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    I imagine that, if you’re a 10-year-old boy, fascism can look pretty awesome. Lots of action, badass uniforms and weapons, skulls and stuff, and no icky girls bringing their cooties into your top-sekrit treehouse.

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    The worst exemple you could choose is wharamer 40k. Like the fucking universe where humanity has to fight to survive. And fight more horrible things than even exist in ours.

    Edit for all the moron than think politics are an integral part of wharamer juste replace wharamer with full metal jacket and how it was meant to show war ks horrible and the audience got the message thebmilitarybis cool.

    The point of wharamer is to sell figurine that look cool and have a cool background. U dumb and tiresome.

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      Bruh, 40K literally started as a satire of fascism during the punk movement. From medium:

      The farther we go forward in time, the more Umberto Eco’s seminal essay on the definition of fascism (“Ur-Fascism”, 1995) applies. Read these (very abridged) qualifiers and think about what you know about 40k, space marines, and the Imperium of Man.

      1. Cult of Tradition/Traditionalism
      2. Rejection of Modernism
      3. Cult of Action for Action’s Sake
      4. Disagreement is treason.
      5. Racist by definition/diversity is bad.
      6. Derives power from individual or social frustration.
      7. Nationalism/Tribalism/”Appeals to people who feel deprived of a clear social identity”
      8. Followers feel humiliated.
      9. Life is lived for struggle/life is permanent…

      Think about every line you know from 40k, and everything that ever happens in this setting. It’s incredibly fascist coded and the fault of the fascists for being in their situation.

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      Nah the entire point of the 40k is a satire of fascism and all the horrors it brings. Humanity is fighting to survive because everyone else in the universe quite rightly hates them for their 10,000 year campaign of conquest and genocide. Even the more horrible things than humanity like chaos are heavily bolstered and fed by the actions of the imperium. Every problem humanity faces in the 40k universe(except the orks I guess) is of their own doing.

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        I’m not with buddy. More here to talk about the lore of W.H.

        Didn’t humanity try to be peaceful at first, but then the other species used our kindness as a way to take advantage of us?

        Again, I’m not getting into the political side of it, just the lore.

        (Why am I being downvoted, damn, I get what warhammer is about. I was just wanting to ask lore :( )

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          Lore wise humanity was more chill in the dark age of technology and earlier there was a lot a lot of back and forth though a lot that lore is deliberately very vague and there certainly might be parts of it I don’t know as it’s been a couple of years since my last 40k lore hyperfixation. For the 10,000 years or so the setting primarily covers humanity is full on murder mode from the moment the emperor elects to reveal himself to humanity, conquer terra and engage in the campaign of galactic conquest.

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            Ah I gotcha. I don’t get a lot of time to read nowadays, but what I have gotten from YouTube channels lately has been cool to learn about.

            Humans are definitely not the good guys. But I don’t think anyone really is in that world. Tau maybe and Orks are just Orks. Can’t fault a bird for flying and fish for swimming, won’t hate a Ork for Waaaggghing.

            The dark age is def a section I wanna know more about. It’s when A.I turned against right?

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            Less “better” more not waging a literal genocide crusade from the comments made by surviving AIs from the Cybernetic Revolt. Only in that context it was only because AIs don’t have genes.

            It’s also hard to tell because it was before the Eldar got got by Slaanesh so there’s a big element of humans simply not having the power to do it even with their higher tech level.

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              Ooh ok. So just to be clear. Slaneesh wasn’t even born yet when the Imperium was trying to conquer the stars? I know they’re the newest of Chaos gods. Just didn’t know if they were before Big E’s galaxy conquest plan or after.

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        yeah except the ork, the insect that just wanna propage indefinetly like a cancer and the warp ppl that are just under control of an entity that want the end of mankind. who the fuck in that universe is like your war was really mean we gonna make a never ending war in revenge ?

        how the fuck u saw 40k and think fsatire of facism ???

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          how the fuck u saw 40k and think fsatire of facism ???

          Because thats how it started? The Imperium is not a good place to live. It is the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable, per every 40k book ever. It is a setting with zero “good” factions.

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            Yeah so can u imagine any other type of regime for this hellscape universe ? Do u think the settings was build to criticize political regime ??? How the fuck can you write it s a satire of facism ??? It s not and isn’t even the point of the IP and all the derivative that came from it Wtf

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              Yes that is exactly what it was done to do. Political satire was a central component to GWs early development of it’s properties(shouts out to the margaret thatcher banner) and it has remained part of it in varying degrees over the decades. You’re not supposed to like the imperium or any faction within 40k, it’s not a setting to be celebrated. It’s meant to be showing things at their absolute worst including the hyper racist empire that represents humanity.

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                Omfg. The hyper racist empire Lmao Yeah yeah everything is political and once again your identifying yourself with the bugs

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                  Bro the imperium has a religious inquisition that goes around executing people for religious heresy and thought crime. Space marines are brainwashed, drugged up child soldiers and the mechanicus are so religiously conservative they’re essentialy the amish with laser rifles.

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                  How could you possibly talk about fascism, a political system, without being political

                  My god man. We’re not making this shit up, this is literally the story behind 40k, per the people who wrote it.

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              T’au and Leagues of Votann are both doing well and not horrible places to live. The Craftworlds are nice enough.

              James Workshop has been pretty fucking direct and consistent that the IoM is horrible and it’s largely humanity in general and Big E specifically to blame.

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      40k is a story of humanity colonizing the stars, committing genocide, and then acting like a victim because aliens fought back and their oppressive genetic overlords turned on each other.

      The obvious satire clearly went over your head.

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        no no look here. bitch. point is. WAR. IS. FREAKIN! COOOL!!!.

        and i also like gunz

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        “aliens fought back” bro do u hear yourself ? u think we gonna sit with them and have peace talk ? the point of the setting is a never ending war and humanity is at war with force that dont negotiate