One of the major drivers of the exceptional heat building within Earth’s atmosphere has reached levels beyond anything humans have ever experienced, officials announced on Thursday. Carbon dioxide, the gas that accounts for the majority of global warming caused by human activities, is accumulating “faster than ever,” scientists from NOAA, the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and the University of California San Diego found.

“Over the past year, we’ve experienced the hottest year on record, the hottest ocean temperatures on record, and a seemingly endless string of heat waves, droughts, floods, wildfires and storms,” NOAA Administrator Rick Spinrad said in a press release. “Now we are finding that atmospheric CO2 levels are increasing faster than ever.

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    Luckily, the fossil fuel companies told us it isn’t anthropogenic and not to worry about this so we will be okay. /s

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          I mean, that’s great and all, but you can’t reappropriate corporate funds with pitchforks.

          We need punitive rulings and legislation.

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            BBQs would kill two birds with one stone: get rid of the stupid and feed the hungry masses.

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              That still doesn’t address the need for funds to be redistributed from oil companies to the alternative energy industry or carbon mitigation projects.

              It’s not about revenge. We need to address the climate crisis, and they need to pay the fuck up.

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                If you were mathmatically certain we were all going to die as a result of their actions, would your opinion still be the same?

                I suppose I am more pessimistic when I look at graphs. It’s not even about the most blatant damage, a lot of my concerns is based on the damage we aren’t measuring. I think the game is over and we lost.

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                  The pessimism is fair. I think the difference isn’t simply if we’re going to succumb to extinction, but also when and how. I’m going to die one day, regardless of climate change. If I have more money, I can extend that time and reduce suffering. The same can be said for humanity.

                  For example, we’re very likely to face food supply constrains first. Since most food corporations turn their profits into shareholder value, they won’t have the means necessary to combat the inevitable climate obstacles, and will immediately turn to governments for assistance. The same can be said for insurance corporations and coastal residents or those in wildfire zones.

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                based on the math, it’s likely too late and we’re all going to die. so given that, are you saying emotional catharsis of holding accountable the greedy religious idiots who have fucked the world is somehow bad?

                some would disagree and say let’s bring back moloch for all the religious flat-earth global-warming-isn’t-real-bibletard-oil-avaricious-fucktwads who destroyed us all and start our own warming

                some would say, if we’re all going to die, shouldn’t the global warming deniers at least make moloch happy with a feast?

                i wouldn’t say that, but some would

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            I agree, I don’t think vigilante mob justice is the way to go. If the rule of law stops working for the people, they’ll find another way, that’s all I’m saying. The SCOTUS should do the right thing, appropriate assets should be seized for damages and distributed to those affected.

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              if the mob is big enough, and things are written down and symbols added to paperwork and ceremonial clothing added into the mix, is it really vigilantism still?

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          I think that’s a nice idea of a statement like Jesus loving you unconditionally.

          Not helpful really and probably not exactly true.

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      I’ve also been told that despite emitting close to a third of the world’s over all emissions, China produces less per capita than some developed countries so climate change is giving them a pass.

      So that’s a third taken care of right there!

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        That’s the scapegoat argument from US industry and politicians. The only reason the US is second to China in carbon emissions is because of the excessive outsourcing of US manufacturing to China.

        The US is responsible for the most carbon emissions worldwide.

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          Who controls the manufacturing processes in China? Who accepts the manufacturing contracts? Who controls their energy grid?

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              Implying that the US needs to not only retrofit their own grid but also China’s is nonsensical…

              China has benefitted economically from their emissions, they are the second largest economy in the world. They’re not some backwater third-world country at this point, they can afford to take responsibility for getting their own emissions under control. They in fact must, because no one can afford to fix their problems for them.

              Perhaps they could save on emissions by closing down some of their concentration camps.

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                  And not just the US. The whole western world effectively runs on Chinese coal.

                  And when China get around to outsourcing it all to Africa which is already on the way to being China’s China, we’ll still be running it all on fossil fuels.

                  You can try taxing everything based on its ecological footprint, sanctions on non-complying countries, etc, but all that will mean in the long term is prices will go up, people will feel poorer, and you’ll be voted out in favour of somebody who doesn’t give a shit.

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                  No…the manufacturing is occurring in China, it’s literally coming out of chinese facilities that are controlled by the Chinese state and industry management. One could just as easily say it’s China’s responsibility to turn down manufacturing contracts based on their inability to take those contracts without delivering huge amounts of CO2.

                  It’s entirely unrealistic to think the US can or should fix China’s grid and industrial processes. It’s literally a non-starter and is essentially just saying China is “owed” the right to pollute because other countries did in the past.

                  And even if you actually believed what you’re claiming, what is the solution here? The US scales back manufacturing and craters the world economy (including for China’s)? Or are they suppose to pay their own GDP out to China so the Chinese government doesn’t have to scale back their imperial ambitions and focus on solving domestic issues that are destroying the planet? Where do you realistically think China is going to put that hypothetical payday if they’re already unwilling to scale back their own wasteful, ancillary domestic programs?

                  You’re trying to pretend China isn’t the second largest economy in the world, it’s just not convincing. It’s way more efficient for countries that can afford to fix their own emissions, like China and the US, to do so and then help poor, developing countries that actually need financial and material support meet their climate goals.

                  Pretending the US can fund the entire world’s transition is, frankly, idiotic because your same backwards-looking logical gymnastics can be applied to almost every country that is smaller than the US. It’s an unserious solution.

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                To solve the climate crisis the ~1 billion people in global north will absolutely need to significantly bail out the global South. There is no clear development path that doesn’t go through heavy fossil fuel usage, and it should go without saying we probably can’t even improve the living standard of another billion people, let alone seven billion without basically just giving them money and technology to skip the fossil fuel step. Countries in the global north have actually agreed to this framework, it’s just that noone has actually made good on the promise yet. So… not only is it not nonsense… it’s an active dispute between developed countries and developing countries.

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                  China is not the global south, the hell are you on?

                  So you’re essentially saying exactly what I was criticizing at the very beginning, that China gets a free pass for their emissions and are entitled to pollute, that the climate will forgive them and the US will somehow magically save the day and bail out the second largest economy on the planet while China ramps up their own unsustainable consumer culture.

                  What are you knuckleheads going to be saying as China continues to shift from manufacturing useless shit for other countries and is instead producing the same shit for their own population? It’s literally already happening right this very moment. Is the climate going to give them a pass for those emissions too because “US bad”?

                  Your politics have made your conception of climate change completely incoherent. The climate simply does not care if China really really wants to be an empire and feels that they’re entitled to unsustainable growth. The gas they are producing in their country, both in manufacturing and in their other sectors, is the single largest concrete thing fucking the planet up. The US could finish switching their manufacturing chains away from China tomorrow and China would still be producing massive amounts of emissions.

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      Sorry best we can do is misunderstand the root causes and misdirect our rage to marginalized people and turn to full blown fascism

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        Which in turn leads to war, which destroys the environment tenfold, making sure even the slim chance of humanity coming through this as anything resembling civilisation even slimmer. We’re thoroughly fucked. But hey, we created sooo much value for shareholders!

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      There’s gotta be people who have nothing to lose who are willing to start doing crazy fucked up shit, even if dying in the process.

      I wonder how many there are, and what the spark would be for them to start going nuts.

      But maybe also, there just aren’t that many willing or rock bottom yet. Maybe we’re mostly still comfortable, albeit unhappy. Might take a few more decades of business as usual.

      Bread and circuses.

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        Most of those people are on the right fighting the valiant fight against 15 minute cities.

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      Fun fact: Teton County, Wyoming has the most billionaires per capita. Their jets are parked at the airport.

      Do with this information what you will.

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      Because although likely immensely satisfying, it will not actually accomplish that much on it’s own.

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    “The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere today is comparable to where it was around 4.3 million years ago during the mid-Pliocene epoch,” NOAA said, “when sea level was about 75 feet higher than today, the average temperature was 7 degrees Fahrenheit higher than in pre-industrial times and studies indicate large forests occupied areas of the Arctic that are now tundra.”

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    Until someone finds a way to combat climate change that also grows the GDP and makes all of the lines go up then what’s the point of taking any action? Profit is the only thing that matters above the lives of any human or animal. If it’s not profitable to fight climate change how can that be a good decision? Lol imagine making a decision that’s not profitable. Imagine doing something that doesn’t make the line go up! This is why nobody takes scientists and liberals and leftists seriously. Do you even realize the profit impact of what you’re suggesting? GDP must only go up. UP UP UP

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        Carbon capture is a fools errand.

        It takes just as much energy to get the carbon out of the air as it did to put it there in the first place. You can’t fight thermodynamics.

        So unless we discover cheap, plentiful fusion in the next few years, or dedicate half a continent to solar and wind farms, we aren’t getting back any more carbon than we burn already.

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          Nuclear and solar would like a word. My entire life we’ve been told we can’t have nuclear because NIMBY and “decade to build.”

          We’d be swimming in available power without fossil fuel level carbon release if we had just done it.

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        You expect me to pay for that with MY taxes when I can already barely afford anything because capitalist business owners are sucking the wealth generated by my productivity into their own bank accounts?

        Facetiousness aside you can maybe tell I have some other ideas about economic changes which might help :)

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          Yeah but any economic changes you suggest will be called the new world order and they’ll never go through

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      100% this. Corporate incentives need to change. Money is the only primary corporate incentive right now, everything else is secondary and works towards that primary goal. Without a change that puts that goal in check, it will increasingly bring ruin on a global scale.

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      If only they’d have said something. Repeatedly. For the last 50 years or so.

      Oh well, too late now. Better burn a bit more so oil execs can finish the game with a high score.

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        it’s so true. i love your “high score” comment. we’re all fucked right now because of this and there’s no going back.

        i wish i knew you in real life

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          Y’all are all forgetting something really important, a lot of people really wanted to make a lot of money. So it’s totally cool, they’ll definitely figure that problem out in the future

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    I get that it’s a bit inappropriate to be flippant and make jokes but if I worried about this every time I saw a headline about it I’d die from my adrenal glands exploding and melting a hole through the back of my computer chair.

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    I think the only thing that’s going to save us from climate change is another ice age.

    And we and our children, and all of our grandchildren, and great great grandchildren, will be long dead by then.

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        That’s true.

        I mean more like, the only way I suspect we’ll get back to pre industrial levels of co2 is with another ice age. Because I doubt civilization as we know it is going to survive long enough to fix it.

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          i don’t know if it works like that. if you take a petri dish and put bacteria in it with an unlimited amount of glucose (a proxy for oil), colony collapse happens because of pollution

          but the pollution doesn’t go away later and the population doesn’t come back to pre-collapse levels ever

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          This one is a much better explanation and unfortunately i tend to agree with you here that humanity will not solve this in time.
          … unless, maybe, we apply drastic geo - engineering methods that would solve only part of the problem.
          And so, i expect a sharp decrease in humanity’s population over the next few decades.

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            And unfortunately most of that population reduction is going to be people that were not even hooked on fossil fuels to begin with.

            As well as all of the other innocent life on this planet that is suffering right now and will continue to suffer.

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      Bold of you to assume we aren’t largely sterile as a species by the time the current generation has great grandchildren.

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        I’m actually not assuming but forgetting.

        Because the only thing that scares me more than climate change is microplastics. And I don’t often have the spoons to let myself think about it.

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    What do you want from me?

    I already gave up everything, life is just work eat(if lucky i get to eat enough) sleep.

    You ate up the value of my income and keep making everything more expensive while not adjusting my wage AND telling me to work harder. Fuck no.

    You fix it, i don’t have the means.

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      I feel like this was always the plan. Put the plebian frog in the pot of 9-5 corporate hellscape and slowly boil it. We’re all too exhausted to fight.

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        this is exactly why we should have a worldwide 4 day work week

        because no one has the energy to be a decent person or improve the world when you struggle 5 days, are exhausted and recovering 1 day, and spend 1 day doing errands and bills and getting ready for the next 5 miserable days

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    My first guess on the title was : “this should be caused by a positive feedback with forest fires in the loop”.
    …so, I went and read this Wikipedia article :
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_feedbacks
    … and it says :

    (…) Carbon cycle uncertainty is driven by the large rates at which CO2 is both absorbed into plants and released when biomass burns or decays. For instance, permafrost thaw produces both CO2 and methane emissions, in ways that are difficult to model. (…)

    But it also says that this one is not the most important feedback loop.

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      Not all of us. Realistically not me (46) or my kids (13, 11, 11) because we are Canadian but in the next 59 years? A lot of poor and brown ppl are going to die and we are going to collectively shrug. I’m genuinely curious what is going to be the event to push rich white countries to act.

      Long story short, enjoy the ride. We don’t know what the fuck we’re doing.

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            TIL that being Canadian has granted me immortality. Although I am part First Nations, so maybe that cancelled it out?
            Luckily I live in Scotland now so instead of everyone being able to see I’m part native, I’m just another white guy. Was a real shock when I had the “you fuckin white people” line thrown at me though.

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              It is said that after a long life, Canadians yearn for the Earthly Paradise of Valinor. I assume that’s somewhere in Scotland.

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              Only Canadians with Geese ancestry have immortality, their genes are just too angry to die

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              Moving is what got you.

              The boy with psychic powers (of whom we are all very fond) that rules Canada is the source of immortality. You’ve moved from his sphere of influence.

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              If you’re FN you’re fucked. Can I interest you in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? Lol

              Edit: oh shit wait what are residential schools? Almost like we done fucked up!