Israel’s “Special Military Operation”

  • ramble81@lemm.ee
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    10 hours ago

    So let me get this straight. They are executing a military operation in a sovereign nation… without permission?

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        4 hours ago

        Am I allowed to ask where that “limit” is exactly? 🙃

        Limited to all of Lebanon maybe?

      • Geobloke@lemm.ee
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        6 hours ago

        They’re also launching a pre-emptive invasion, so they can’t be declaring war. It’s just defence in shallow

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      10 hours ago

      That’s what usually happens during a war… Hezbollah is effectively the army of Lebanon. The fact that Lebanon’s government does not officially call it that does not change the reality on the ground.

      • NatakuNox@lemmy.world
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        6 hours ago

        Lol has Lebanon declared war? Has Israel? Sounds like goal post moving to ignore the facts. Isreal is a Rogue nation backed by zionest, Christian nationalist, and the oligarchy. Theirs no rational argument where killing 300 people to kill one man is acceptable.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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        10 hours ago

        Israel is aiming to reoccupy Lebanon. These are the exact same tactics Israel always uses when expanding their Settler Colonialism

        • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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          9 hours ago

          I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by counting the number of individual attacks. In a war, you want to be attacking the enemy while preventing the enemy from attacking you. To the extent that this chart is meaningful (and I’m not sure it is, given that it does not take the size of an attack into account) it’s just showing that Israel appears to be fighting Hezbollah effectively - Israeli victory would mean reducing the red bars to zero.

          • mmcintyre@lemmy.world
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            2 hours ago

            To the extent that it’s accurate, it shows Israel attacking first. It looks more like Israel is provoking Hezbollah. Of course, this didn’t start last October.

            I’m not sure you and Netanyahu agree on what Israeli victory would mean.

          • OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world
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            2 hours ago

            Are you implying that Israel’s much greater number of attacks are because they are doing really tiny attacks or something? According to Wikipedia, 1642 Lebanese dead vs 52 Israelis. I.e. 31 times more Lebanese than Israeli deaths. So if anything Israel is killing more per strike, given that they only made 5 times more attacks (or 4 times more counting up until mid September). So it’s highly likely Israel is doing bigger strikes with less concern for civilian casualties. Notably, nobody is surprised about this given the horror we’ve all been watching for the past year.

            Israeli victory would mean reducing the red bars to zero

            Then good news. A cease fire in Gaza would achieve this. Shame Bibi doesn’t seem interested in that but he sure does love killing children so I guess it works out for him at least.

            • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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              Are you implying that Israel’s much greater number of attacks are because they are doing really tiny attacks or something?

              No, I’m just saying the graph is probably useless. Israel definitely is launching more and larger attacks, because that’s how you win a war. Ideally Hezbollah would be launching zero attacks because Israel launched the massive number of attacks necessary to cripple Hezbollah. A little red bar, then a big blue bar, and finally no red bar at all.

              Israel is doing bigger strikes with less concern for civilian casualties.

              Is this a joke? Hezbollah usually attacks with unguided rockets. This demonstrates zero concern for civilian casualties. Less than zero, actually, because the intent of the attacks is to cause civilian casualties. Relatively few Israeli civilians have died because Israel is successfully defending them, not because Hezbollah’s policy regarding Israeli civilians is different from that of Hamas.

              A cease fire in Gaza would achieve this.

              Even if that is true (and it would only be true in the short term) then Israel would still be foolish to make major concessions to its persistent enemies when it has the military power necessary not to. Meanwhile Hezbollah would be more inclined to launch future attacks because it would see that they worked.

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          I’m American and I’m just going to stop you right there. We last declared war formally for World War 2, but, uh…well…we’ve done some stupid shit in other countries since then without declaring war. So, based on this I’ll just go ahead and disagree with you that you have to declare war before invasion. If you need more evidence, see Russia/Ukraine or UK/Argentina.

          I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying you don’t have to.

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            2 hours ago

            Okay I’d assumed it was necessary to declare war under international law (I know it’s not followed by many countries) but according to Google that’s not the case.

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    10 hours ago

    I guess that means the US will send another $10B “self defense” aid package, again. Sigh.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    11 hours ago

    Israel’s “Special Military Operation”

    Even Russia learned their lesson in this part of the world.

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      10 hours ago

      Unlike Russia, Israel has no qualms about calling this a war.

      But wars are divided into offensives, eg Ardennes Offensive, Tet Offensive, eg. This is the latest Israeli offensive in their war.

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      5 hours ago

      No rockets or any form of attack or threat were launched from Ukraine into russia before the 24th feb invasion, stop making this dumb comparison.

      • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
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        2 hours ago

        It’s a good comparison, both Russia and and the settler colonial apartheid entity are illegally invading their neighbors, commit genocide and countless other war crimes & crimes against humanity. The only thing that differs is the rhetoric of western media and politicians.

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        4 hours ago

        Attacks like the Kerch Bridge Explosion that connect Russia with occupied crimea do not count?

        • Magikjak@lemmy.world
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          3 hours ago

          The one in October 2022 (9 months after the invasion) or the one in July 2023 (17 months after the invasion)?