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Using google maps from Australia it’s labelled like “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)”
I think the Australian government should call it “gulf of not Australia” and see if google adds another title.
This whole thing is extremely cringe. There isn’t any other way to put it. Trump. His executive order. The compliance. It’s all cringe.
Though to be fair cringe is like right in the very blood to Google anyway so what would you expect…
I mean, just look at how they often respond on their bug tracker platform of most of their products and how they try to justify their endless streams of questionable design decisions, that seems to be characteristic of them at this point lol
Next president, assuming there is one, will just change it back to repair relations with our allies.
Even if it never gets changed back, it’ll be a generation before people actually start calling it that. No one alive now is going to give a fuck about the Gulf of America or call it that.
Hey conservatives, not that you’re intelligent enough to figure out how to get on Lemmy, but if by some miracle one of you reads this, why is Trump doing this and floating invading our allies and annexing their territories instead of lowering the price of groceries as promised on day 1?
You eat your Freedom Fries and you like it
Well. O. K. Then it’s my not the 'USA" that did this anymore. It’s to be called “North Mexico” now. Fair’s fair.
Time for a repeat comment: Organic Maps does everything Google Maps does (except traffic conditions), and is FOSS. Please encourage places to contribute business information to Open Street Maps.
I just tried it and found three dealbreakers instantly.
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It doesn’t have my address (I know I could add it but who knows what else it’s missing)
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It couldn’t find any public transport routes in my area
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There is no satellite view
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I’m all for swapping apps, but Organic Maps doesn’t even have my home address. And I live in a major metropolitan area.
Add it to OSM?
That solves the problem this time, but it doesn’t help if I’m trying to navigate somewhere new.
If it doesn’t have the address for a 30-year-old house in a major metropolitan area, then I just don’t think it’s a viable replacement for Google Maps, unfortunately.
Every time I try to navigate to an address that’s missing in OSM, I just navigate to the nearest one instead. It’s not a big deal.
And when I have 5 minutes of free time, I add the address.That’s how OSM works. There isn’t a dev or company to blame, you can literally fix the missing data yourself. And that’s the only way it works.
I wish OSM had the resources to make something akin to Pokemon Go but instead of capturing something, it adds it to the database.
You are in luck my friend: https://streetcomplete.app/
They have made it super easy and fun. I have been playing it for nearly a year and have made a pretty big dent in my local dense metro area.
This is actually incredible. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, I was following this thread and wanted to say the same thing
I’ve kept updating shops that change, new houses, parking, etc… it’s great. I even used it on vacation (when the SO wasn’t looking)
My global rank is #1554 and ~#130ish in my local country, but #12 in another country I barely visit, so it shows where more people should
complain lesssupport more.Wow good work, my global ranking is #2449.
Ha, yeah it’s good that you slowly clear out your local area because my SO did not appreciate me trying to answer questions while we walked.
Found this thing yesterday. I’ve contributed to OSM more in a day than in the previous year. It’s great.
oh yay!!
My test search for the UPS store up the street sent me 4km away. So…not great.
The traffic conditions is huge tho
Just last week, that philly plane crash, I saw exactly where the roads are closed and which roads are congested.
Just swapped apps. Thanks for the suggestion!
I use Google maps mostly to find out where things are, and unfortunately OSM does not have as many places as Google Maps. I can add one or two places I notice are missing (even though the phone interface isn’t that easy) but Google Maps consistently has better information, so I mostly use organic maps for when I already know the address or already know the location is in its database.
Interesting discussion about this on the OpenStreetMap forums.
The resolution is introducing “official_name” tags, referencing “en_us”, because “en” is not just the U.S.:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571/11
So when OsmAnd or OrganicMaps start to support them, maybe your locale settings will change the displayed name there as well.
Current description of that node: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/305639190/history/80
So maybe that could be a reason for everyone around the world to stop using en_US locale settings. XD
What a great time to download Organic maps
It’s a massive upgrade in terms of aesthetics and privacy!
How does it compare to OsmAnd?
OsmAnd is the Swiss army knife of Open Street Map frontends, but as I’m sure you’ll agree on (if you’ve used it), it can be a bit of a headache setting it up, as well as getting familiar with it.
Organic Maps caters more to people seeking a pure alternative to Google/Apple Maps. It’s the layman’s alternative.
If you’re a poweruser, and already familiar with OsmAnd, there’s no point in switching. But in terms of getting other, non tech savvy, people to switch, it’s a great recommendation!
Organic Maps has fewer features and settings, a more stripped-down user interface, and concentrates on what most people use the most (find an address, navigate to it).
It is also much, much faster than OsmAnd.
Personally, I find OsmAnd too slow and clunky, and Organic Maps a bit too basic.
But I prefer Organic Maps 95% of the time.Also a great choice. I prefer organic maps for a variety of reasons (like ability to contribute to the maps), but a lot of people prefer OsmAnd. They are both very good.
I love that it’s not google, and the UI is nice, but the lack of realtime traffic info is a real blocker for me
You might be interested in Magic Earth it is also built on OpenStreetMap but includes crowdsourced traffic data. If you are in a big city then it’s likely they have good data for your area.
is there a web version?
That’s a weird flex by South Canada.
What a bunch of cucks! The billionaires have fully taken over!
They took it over from the millionaires!
and the trillionaires will soon take over!
For them to not exist and to stop it they need to be cleaned over regularly. Some countries had that figured out.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
This is the way.
Bingo.
Imagine getting every “alpha male” 2A nutjob violent conservative to realize who their actual enemy is.
We’d get some actual positive change in an extremely short period of time.
Also, report an error to google maps:
It reads: I read “Gulf of America”. That must be a mistake.
I can’t seem to do this from the phone app
Obviously that’s not going to make one iota of difference. They’re an American company and they have been ordered by the president of the country to do this. They already do similar things in other authoritarian countries like China and Turkey, because anything else would risk the safety of Google employees.
If you don’t like it, change to a non-American product and/or vote for a different president.
I somehow have a feeling that being president of the USA does not mean you can do whatever you want and people have to follow… Google Map, for one, is a product of a private company, not a Federal Service of the USA - so if they want to call it “Gulf of Google”, they could!
Then you’re right, they already protect/black out places and some places’ names, however the Gulf of America, like the Channel of Washington are just bs that in the worst case scenario will live 4 years. So it’s a joke and I like joking tooThe American president can only order so much. As of yesterday, the BGN has changed the name, but this affects Federal Government usage. Google as a private company could continue to use the common name if they wanted to.
This is why Open Street Maps has a “name” field and “official name” field, for where these two aren’t the same. This is already the case for the English names “Saigon” and “Ho Chi Minh City” which refer to the same place in Vietnam.
Well, that’s apparently for the courts to decide. In the meantime they have an executive order to contend with. Google has reclassified the U.S. as a “sensitive country” along with other authoritarian regimes and I’m convinced that this is partly out of concern for the safety of Google employees. Who knows what maga cultists might do if they don’t comply.
Personally I think that obeying in advance only makes it a riskier place for the employees, but it is not my decision to make.
Regardless, I don’t see what issue the courts would have with a private company using the common name of a geographical feature instead of the official government name. That would be a violation of the 1st amendment protection of free speech from government intervention.
(viewed from Canada)
Same in Europe
Same in a little bit to your west Europe.
Same, but in Japan.
If you zoom in does it change? Mine does. I’m in the us
No
The change reflects Google’s policy of adhering to official government names for geographical locations.
OK, so why am I seeing Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America) from Canada?
Same here in Europe.
This is highly irregular for several reasons:
Google adheres to official government positions, yes, but as far as I’m aware the American government hasn’t made the name change official yet. Members of the government have said that they’d do this, but I don’t think this idea has passed any process yet. So then why is Google “updated” their maps?
When Google adheres to official government positions, they are local. In example, when you’re in China and look up Taiwan, it’ll appear as part of China. In other countries it’ll appear as either an independent country or a disputed territory, depending on that government’s official position on the matter. What we DON’T see is something like “Taiwan (China)”, as Google supposedly has no intention on forcing the policies of one government upon another government, and as far as I’m aware the rest of the world hasn’t agreed to changing The Gulf of Mexico to The Gulf of America.
If anyone’s interested, here’s what it looks like in Europe. The good news: this is the first time I’ve had to use Google Maps in a loooong time (ignoring embedded maps in other sites). OpenStreetMap is wonderful and there are some superb apps powered by it, including the ever-excellent Organic Maps.
Unfortunately Organic Maps doesn’t really work well. I gave it a shot yesterday at work (I work food delivery on bicycle), and it couldn’t find half the addresses I needed to go to.
If Justin Trudeau gets active on this, you can probably get it to Gulf of Canada (Gulf of Mexico) (Gulf of America).
From the Wikipedia for Gulf of Mexico:
While the Interior Department confirmed that the Gulf of America name was effective for U.S. federal agencies, on January 24, the change does not apply in an international context.
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What’s that sucking sound?
What the fuck is this shit?
A born rich low IQ loser jerking himself off while we’re all forced to watch, courtesy of the average low IQ American voter.
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