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Jan Rembo
Is this some kind of secret Jan variant?
That feels very dystopian
came here to say just this, just seeing a feed of your childs interactions at another space is fucking weird. Why goto this logging level? Isnt it just good enough of, yeah they napped well today, and they hit there head, it scared them but we got them calmed and an ice pack just in case.
I feel like this is what helicopter parenting but they have to work so this is what they want and they need to calm down, they dont even monitor the indoor air at this level and that has been shown to be a big contributor of poor mental performance then just being at day care with sun and playing with others.
We log this information for a whole host of reasons. Many parents sadly don’t get the chance to speak to an educator in depth to discuss their kids day, tracking medical needs, etc. A lot of parents don’t even look at this, but it’s useful to have if it’s ever needed.
My only complaint, and this extends to all the genuinely important paper work we have to do is that we never get enough time to be off floor to do it.
SOOO if the educator was, I dont know, forced to talk to them at pick up over the things of the day they could be more looped in to what the parents want and maybe better understand the groups role and abilities for their child. No you are right, this is better.
Lots of parents don’t care.
thats so fucked.
Some parents don’t have time. You knock off work, pick the kids up, and get home and prepare dinner so they can get to bed at a decent time. If you have older kids who need to get to other places, then there’s another constrain. If you need to get to the shops or bank or something you have to cut some tasks out to meet your priorities.
Thats the actually fucked part
yeah cutting out talking to the caregivers of my child is the first thing I would cut.
I also think it’s dystopian but it is quite helpful information to know when they were fed and/or napped. If you pick up your child and they are unusually hungry or tired, etc it can be helpful. I doubt the caretakers have time to talk to each parent or they change shifts. Paper forms are popular at less fancy places
Let’s not put the blame only on the parents. Anyone who has spent more than 30 seconds working for a corp would understand that taking credit for work does not mean the work got done.
Assuming the diapers aren’t tracked by barcode and there isn’t an independent inspector validating each operation, I would be MORE wary about my kid being well taken care of at a place that measures and tracks work this way. Especially since the types of management that would think this was a good idea are also the type to not understand how work actually gets done and drives to making the metrics look good at the expense of actually caring for human children.
Have you ever actually been to a daycare as an adult?
They’re not tracking timestamps by hand, they’re going up to a tablet, tapping baby name and then tapping diaper/wet or started nap.
Having a sense of how often a kid is eating, sleeping and going to the bathroom is really important because those are health indicators and they can’t tell you how they feel. The caretakers are going to take notes one way or another and give them to the parents so they can be aware of any trends.
They are also subject to surprise inspections government inspectors to verify that they’re following the various rules.
This is seriously just the standard type of logging that anyone tasked with caring for another person is going to be doing.
Yeah thinking that child raising is just a calculation to be figured out is just not the right way. Yes plan the day, but outside of play,eat,nap,reading time. You shouldnt be like did you log the child having a come apart for just being over stimulated?? Or the odd fight that happened over block that neither child wanted to play with?!
Hey FYI your black bars are see through
Not my OC. OOP was told about this and left the post up anyway :)
I wonder if Miss Emely appreciated that. Hell, did anybody ask Noam before blasting his dirty laundry all over the internet?
did noam ask anyone before blasting all over and thus creating the dirty laundry?
Additional notes: I was assassinating another child
Is this daycare or militia camp?
I don’t think the military or even prison tracks individuals with this level of verbose. I feel like I’m reading debugging logs.
Wtf is this so though? I hate this trend or having to stop working every 2 seconds to prove you are working.
Daycare is kind of intense.
You have a bunch of parents who would rather be with their kids. They’re paying close to their own mortgage/rent to have their kids watched. They’re convinced that the teens/young adults the daycare hires are not doing anything. Their kids are there with a load of other kids, pick up bad habits, get bullied and yelled at by kids in worse home situations. As soon any any scratch or scrape happens they want to know know for those prices.
The timesheets give them solace that their kid is being watched, fed, changed, and taken care of emotionally.
it’s not necessary, but it’s not hard to see why it happens
Looks like a daycare that’s taking care of toddlers and infants. Logging these events makes a bit more sense as you have to be at least roughly aware of this stuff to keep an eye out for potential health issues. The kid isn’t able to convey things directly so you have to look for signs. If diapers aren’t being soiled, then you might need a medical exam, for example.
The precision of the timestamps might seem a bit needlessly specific, but if you are noting it electronically, might as well let the system time-stamp it.
Don’t think it’s system timestamps, as they’re curiously rounded
I suppose it could be possible that the humans are entering it, also possible the timestamps are just being rounded by the system. Guess it’s hard to say, though I still say that a daycare that includes infants can reasonably be expected to log this sort of activity in case something goes wrong that would only show up as a loss of appetite or lack of bowel movement or explaining an otherwise unrecognized injury incurred during an assasination.
In their defence looking through the black bars reveals that there are multiple caretakers collectively taking care of the children, so it becomes necessary to track what care has already been given to the kids so all the adults can coordinate.
no??? If thats the case the groups are too big!! I have a child in daycare and I’d be horrified if there was such a bustle that the adults need to log every action they take because otherwise a kid might not get his diapers changed!!
Half the time I have to check with my wife what cares were done recently when my nonverbal kid gets fussy to try to identify why they’re fussy. Logging makes it so instead of asking one can check the log, especially useful if the previous care person isn’t available to be asked now
I’m not sure I agree. 10 or so kids lets them get a lot of practice socializing, with 3-4 caretakers. Without a tool like this, it’s really easy to miss that nobody’s needed to change little Mikey’s diaper today - but that’s information that can be important for them and the parents to know.
I also have kids in daycare, and while they’re able to provide ample individual care, once you get past one adult to a specific set of kids and the kids swap between adults it becomes a much greater risk of missing someone’s need because they can’t communicate it clearly.
It also can make it faster to know when something last happened if you weren’t the one to do it. If a kids fussy and the person who’s been looking after them all morning has gone to lunch you can just look over and see that they got up from a nap recently, got a diaper change and that it’s almost time for food.It’s not about cramming so many kids in that you can barely keep track and more about recognizing that you’re caring for someone else’s kids and so taking every reasonable step to ensure there aren’t mistakes, as well as demonstrating to the parents that you’ve done so.
Our daycare has a list on the wall with the name of every kid in the room next to their evacuation plan and emergency kit (big baby/little baby rooms are connected. Sometimes they rebalance for lunch or just different activities which is when they update the list) I have absolute confidence that in the event of an emergency they wouldn’t need to use the list, and also that they would still go down the list and look directly at each kid and also do a sweep while doing whatever response they needed.As someone who’s done a bit of work on procedures around systems and making sure they avoid negative outcomes I appreciate there being a process and checklist that’s routinely followed.
Also, the digital lists are really more for the parents to be informed about what’s going on. I know that I appreciate knowing where precisely they are in their routine when I do pickup.
Sounds like your kid goes to a horrible childcare.
That doesn’t seem weirdly detailed to me? Kid bumped their head and they wrote down what happened.
Look at the timestamps: 1:20 1:30 1:40 2:30 ridiculous.
Could just go: oh yeah he bumped his head today when parents come pick him up instead.
It’s an app. Do you actually think they’re manually entering the time? The app is probably just rounding to the nearest 10 for display purposes. There’s also a legal obligation to fill out an incident report.
You’re caring for someone else’s child and the law says if you felt the need to do something (ice pack) then the parents deserve documentation with timeline and response. Do you have a different criteria that’s good for when a non-medical caregiver should need to tell a parent something happened to their kid?just rounding to the nearest 10 for display purposes.
I was referring to the amount of them. 3 in half an hour 😕 For no good reason.
the law says if you felt the need to do…
Luckily the law is different where I live. I’d rather have my child taken care of by a human, instead of a flowchart :)
Do you have a different criteria
When the caretaker feels like something important happened
Oh, I assumed you thought people were spending a lot of time entering timestamps. Do you think this is a particularly onerous process for them, or that the parents need to like, acknowledge each log? They just push a button to select the kid and tap another to select the event. Maybe type a description if it’s an incident report. It’s significantly easier for them than logging it any other way, and it ensures parents get the information on food, diapers and whatnot.
I am confused how you see this as care by flowchart. Daycare staff aren’t medical professionals. They aren’t qualified to make objective decisions about what’s an “important” event to notify parents of in a consistent manner. What country are you in where the parental notification laws are “I dunno, if you feel like it I guess”?
What country are you in where the parental notification laws are “I dunno, if you feel like it I guess”?
Belgium. There’s no laws whatsoever that mandate notifications. They’ll just tell you if something important happens
Well that seems quite odd. Most developed countries have standards for childcare settings, including defining minimums for activity and incident logging.
Finding regulations was difficult, but it seems that Belgium just has lower quality childcare than even the US, according to the UN. https://www.unicef.org/innocenti/reports/where-do-rich-countries-stand-childcareColor me surprised. I kind of assumed if we had standards that anyone else would have similar or better standards.
I have to log timesheets at work to say what I’ve been doing. I have a section everyday in my timetable schedule to fill in the timesheet. So when I’m filling in the timesheet I have to actually tell them what I was doing for that 4 minutes worth of time.
3:30 p.m. to 3:34 p.m. - filling in timesheet
Really?
This was unironically one of the worst jobs I ever worked. Management spent months trying to figure out why the night shift couldn’t keep up with the same routine work day shift did.
For some reason 2 people < 25 people never really clicked.
People want to know
If I had a kid I would want them to spend as much time as possible looking after the kid. I don’t need them to tell me that they’re doing that, I assumed that they’re doing that so I’m no better off.
Also everyone estimates those things anyway.
You might overestimate the time it takes to fill reports. It gives them more time anyways because else parents would discuss with them after work
It’s also nice to detect any potential problem or trend
If I see such report, I would instantly have more trust in them. It’s reassuring
Sorry but it’s obvious you don’t have kids. You need to know when and how much formula your baby had to not overfeed them. You need to know what a toddler ate if he comes home and throws up/has diarrhea/gets a sudden rash. You need to know when his diaper was changed so you know if you need to change it again when you get home. Etc. You really need that info, and people working in daycare absolutely don’t ballpark this as they need to know it as well and they have 18 other kids to take care of so they can’t remember it all.
Yeah, my son is older now, wrapping up daycare (thank God), but still gets the reports. He’s four, so communication isn’t exactly the greatest, but it’s there, and I go through that daily report with him at night to help refresh his recollection about his day at school, things he learned, events that occurred. Without the report, I know I’m going to get a lot of I don’t knows and I don’t remembers.
So at that age, all the kids nap at the same time. I guarantee that’s when teacher is sitting there filling these things out; hence, 120, 130, 140. It’s remarkable how efficiently run these places are. And I had the misfortune of my kids’ first daycare (two block walk from my house) getting flooded, going to a second one of their centers miles away, and then switching to another one that’s less than a mile from my home now. I saw consistently efficient operations across all three over the past 7 years (and much dollars).
And one thing that I have always believed to be the most important about having my kids in daycare was getting them into groups of their peers. They get plenty of time to “socialize,” especially the older they get, and so the teachers (generally) don’t need to be constantly interacting with them.
That’s not a very good job of redacting the names. The boxes aren’t fully opaque, I can read the names through them.
Hadn’t noticed. I think you’d have to try to get translucent boxes versus a simple solid box. Seems intentional?
If you took the highlighter tool and changed the color to black, it may default to semitransparent. It’s useful if you’re trying to highlight something in fluorescent yellow.
100% totally censored
I can’t be completely surprised that Miss Emely has trouble with spelling.
Assisting?
I think they’ve got the assassination thing covered, no need to assist.
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I don’t really know how I feel to see charting at day cares. I guess it does solve a liability need just as much as charting in nursing homes and hospitals do. But we’re not usually even this detailed.
Edit: detailed on this like exact diaper changes. We’re actually much much much more detailed on falls. Like holy shit the paperwork for a fall.
Yeah, let’s have concussed children take a nap
Yes.
The current advice I’m given in Australia these days is that it’s better for children to sleep and be monitored than kept up and to become exhausted.
If we had genuine belief that a child had a concussion and not just hit themselves on a fall (happens daily), we would ask for the child to be collected by parents.
You don’t usually feel better a few seconds after a concussion, do you? Even with lots of hugs?
Sounds like diaper aged kids, so they bump into things all the time and will cry for 30 seconds because it was scary then forget that anything happened and be fine. You should see the way my 3 year old will run full tilt directly into things sometimes!
To quote my parent’s favorite Cosby quote “all children have brain damage!”
